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[–] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I usually default to the side of the police, but the protestors couldn't have been morepeaceful here.

Fuck I hate reddit.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes.

    (On the bright side, comments like that show just how blatant and out of touch the cops are, to a point where even those with faith in the police are starting to see what happens on the ground and can no longer find excuses. Moments of escaping a media filter bubble is often an early step towards changing ones own political worldview. So, while this event was horrible, I'm optimistic that it's thrown away the curtains and shown clear unprovoked state + police violence on display to those who wouldn't have otherwise seen it)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Media has spent decades getting people to side with police, even against their own interests. TV shows, movies, usually show a cop doing a bad thing to catch a big criminal, when in reality it's cops abusing citizens to get what they want.

    ACAB, forever and always.

    I side with the suspect until video shows otherwise, I will never trust a cop at their word, too much power over the avg citizen.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    If you want a crazierfuckingvideo, look what happened when the coppers came across some Muslims in the middle of prayer, including some of the protest organisers in yellow.

    Edit: see it at https://aussie.zone/post/29490599

    Unfortunately reddit is the only source I can find right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/1r00oj1/nsw_police_assaulted_muslims_praying_peacefully/

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    Not only does he have his hands up, it looks like he's actually trying to help the cop steady himself when he trips on the bicycle.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why does Israel's cock continue to be stroked? I don't understand

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    of course, colonists who have committed genocide will support eachother.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Was that at Flinders street station?

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    [–] 40 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fucking cops escalated as if they just like punching people.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    Well that was totally uncalled for

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  • [–] 73 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Hope the dude with his hands up gets ahold of this he was beaten because a bike cop tripped over his own fucking bicycle.

    Funny people sitting at home in Australia thinking what’s happening in the US can’t happen here. When it’s already happening under a Labor government.

    Chris Minns is a fascist genocide supporter

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Should be a wake up call to my fellow Aussies. It ain't just a Yankee problem, the police are a problem everywhere. So many Aussies forget that our pigs have only been well behaved for a couple decades. The rest of our history is rife with them being demonstrable monsters.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Two of my friends want to join WAPOL and they are both nice women, but I wonder whether the cop culture will chew them up and spit them out, or turn them into bastards.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    Lived in WA most of my life, never had a problem with WA police.

    Last time I visited Sydney in 2019 it began to feel like a city from another country and the police presence was a large part of that.

    One thing I'll never shake is the guards stationed outside the AFP building in the CBD with automatic weapons. Only places I've ever seen a sight like that are places like Mindanao in the Philippines, where insurgent terrorists are a real threat.

    It feels like law enforcement is increasingly willing to incite and provoke violence so they can claim credit for, or otherwise politicise, their response.

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  • [+] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Na this is bullshit.

    I know of cops in small towns like Hill End getting people arrested for driving with morphine in their system ... because the cunt got the guy tested for morphine after the ambulance administered the green whistle.

    And cops in Queensland get aboriginal kids, drive them dozens of kilometres out of town, take their shoes and make them walk back.

    Cops are cunts no matter where they are.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I hope the people of Sydney keep protesting today after this. Every one of these policemen need to be held accountable, there is no justifiable context for this.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (16 children)

    Oh, so literally all cops are bastards.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I've never understood this sentiment, because obviously not all cops are bastards. It doesn't really help call out inappropriate behavior because as soon as you pull the ACAB it makes the discussion hollow

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Police are the violence enacted by the state to protect capitalist interests.

    While they incidentally help in sometimes solving crime, this is not and never was, their true purpose.

    Making sure the proletariat do not gain class consciousness and making sure power can not shift from capital is their job.

    When people say ACAB it means that because they are tools of the capitalist elite they cannot definitionally be anything other than bastards who are ignorant of class consciousness or are willing participants in their own abuse at the hands of capitalists using them because it gives them some kind of proxy power.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That's an interesting take and one I categorically disagree with.. but heck share some more. Can you explain what exactly a police officer does to ensure there is not a power shift ? How do you think the proletariat class does not have awareness that they are a lowest class worker who is trading their time for profit? What does a police officer do day to day to impact this, seeing as your sentiment is police incidentally help sometimes from this I take you mean a majority of police work is for capitalism. I would have thought if there was such a strong focus on protecting capitalism, they would for example be strongly enforcing illegal tobacco, they are not. Most protests that I am aware of are generally around environment, human rights. I haven't seen a protest around proletariat low SES rights, why do you think that is? Keen for your thoughts

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Can you explain what exactly a police officer does to ensure there is not a power shift?

    • To be clear I’m talking about the structure of the police. If you’re asking me what individual officers do day to day to maintain power structures I’d point to any example of racial profiling, use of force, selective enforcement and the concept of property protection.

    • I ask you, who benefits the most from tax payer funded security for private property protection?

    How do you think the proletariat class does not have awareness that they are a lowest class worker who is trading their time for profit?

    • This is reasonably self evident through the rise in right wing political parties who are voted for by people against their own self interest and who advocate for the externalisation of the problems with capitalism by blaming a subset of the proletariat, ie migrants.

    • How do you explain the rise in inequality and decline in living standards if not for the failure of our current economic system?

    What does a police officer do day to day to impact this, seeing as your sentiment is police incidentallyhelp sometimes from this I take you mean a majority of police work is for capitalism.

    • Yes, police are tools of capitalism.

    I would have thought if there was such a strong focus on protecting capitalism, they would for example be strongly enforcing illegal tobacco, they are not.

    • I think you’re conflating capitalism with commerce or the economy. Protecting capitalist interest does not entail protecting markets it’s instead ensuring the power of society is maintained by those with capital. A specific example would be the lack of consequences for those people involved with Epstein.
    • How do you explain those lack of consequences if capital does not equate to power and police are beholden to those interests?

    Most protests that I am aware of are generally around environment, human rights. I haven't seen a protest around proletariat low SES rights, why do you think that is?

    • The fundamental cause of human rights breaches and environmental destruction is capitalism so there is a strong argument to be made they are one and the same. However if you reject that, I would ask whether you’ve never heard of a protest for workers rights? Were you alive during the Occupy Wall Street protests?

    • Finally, ca you conceive of a world without police forces in their current form?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Don't understand, or disagree? Do you really want to discuss the nuance and history of this subject here and now?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Well we see here one cop going off the rails and attacking a civilian full force. So we might say ok just that 1 cop is a bad apple but not all of them are like that. Fair.
    But what did the rest of them do? Will they report/punish/fire the bad cop? Usually that's not what happens. They defend their own, which makes them complicit.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    By saying ACAB people are stating that community police, highway patrol, detectives, cyber, specialist forces are all bastards. It's a ridiculous statement that doesn't help address anything. So you need to address specifics, gather themes and drive that agenda (e.g. police response in crowd control is excessive and should be condemned). ACAB is pointless and simply an attempt to evoke emotion.

    Sure, I agree peer accountability is also important. This comes down to education, training, and culture. But let's not all pretend that in our workplace we pull up everyone. Let's not also pretend that what my peer does is equal or representative to what I do

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    If your peer does something on purpose that kills another person do you call them out and push for accountability or protect them? Cops protect each other, nearly every time. When they don't its either b/c its so egregious or the evidence is so overwhelming that protecting them is worse than accountability.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    ACAB - idiots shouldn't be cops, but that's all they'll hire

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A bit off topic, but is it mandatory for Australian police to wear that mustache?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I can't defend that, looks like the officer freaked out when there was no need to

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    It looks like the person with his hands up was trying to help the cop that fell off his bike. The second it looks like he is touching that cop some other cops start attacking him mercilessly and without much thought. The bike cop seems to be putting himself in that situation and being violent with protesters for no clear reason.

    Does that seem to be the case?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    So protesting the nazi "state" head visit will get you beaten up also in Australia? Fuck the whole "western" society. Down with israel, death to IDF.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    People with no self control shouldn't hold responsible positions. If your having a bad day you shouldn't be in a uniform dealing with people. Goes for any job, not just cops. Imagine if nurses behaved like this, punching every patient who pissed them off. Yet they get paid less than police for some reason.

    I am not anti-police at all. Strongly disagree with the ACAB bullshit in Australia. Some cops are bastards for sure. I think they have a tough job and an important one even if their recruitment and discipline sucks (less so in Australia than the US but we could do better). I feel particularly sorry for the ones who get shot dealing with cookers and some of the stuff they have to see and deal with.

    If the police service can't self discipline and weed out the trigger happy snowflakes then the public lose faith in them. They need to put cops like this on suspension and retraining. They might not have the right personality for this sort of work. It makes them look week. If your an agitator and want to start a riot it is so easy to bait weak minded law enforcement.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    suspension and retraining

    Discharged from the police force.

    they might not have the right personality

    Clearly, they don’t.

    This doesn’t surprise me with the NSW police force though, they seem inclined on putting their hands on people, even teenagers. Like you I’m not necessarily in the ACAB camp but the repeated actions of these arseholes in this police force are hard to justify.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
    suspension and retraining
    

    Discharged from the police force.

    Ideally, if things are as clear cut as shown in the video. If the protestor committed some unseen offense like spitting on the officer it would certainly justify an arrest, something that might require force if resisted. This guy had his hands in the air. Hard to make any case that this response was justified in any way. Even the cops are innocent until proven guilty though so this is all just opinion.

    Going in throwing punches makes it look like the police were drafted out of a particularly incompetent pub brawl. Weird behavior for trained public servants. I don't get how that is justified as crowd control. Makes the cops look terrified and pissing themselves with fear in a country where ordinary people take down armed terrorists with their bare hands and milk crates.

    In my opinion this sort of behavior brings the service into disrepute and if not dealt with sends a message that violently assaulting peaceful protesters is tolerable. Training and recruitment have a cost and there could be systematic issues with culture and training that need to be addressed and dealing with individuals and not the organization and leadership would be short sighted. This should be investigated right up to Minns and the instructions he gave about the handling of the protest. NSW police have earned a bit of a reputation for being political enforcers.

    To be fair to the cops there are protesters whose aim is to provoke a violent response from police by whatever means necessary. The police have no choice but to defend themselves and establish order with that crowd and people get hurt on both sides. There is a time and place where the police have to use violence to maintain order. In my opinion this didn't look to be such an occasion.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I love how bitch boy looks like he's putting everything into those gut punches like he's in a movie, only for them to barely even wrinkle homie's shirt.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    What's the context of this? Was the bike cop trying to arrest the guy?

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Under the IHRA definition of antisemitism, this would be classified as Nazi-punching, and thus based antifascist praxis.

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