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[–] 22 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Why was china and India left out of the "data?"

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know about china, but India is so conservative that it's pretty close to 0, but also probably very hard to get any reliable statistics

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't seem to be a problem for some others like Japan

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    There's a bunch of other developing countries missing too, such as the entirety of Africa. Aside from their large populations, I'm not sure why the absence of China and India should be any more surprising than the presence of Colombia and Chile (for example).

    It is a bit of a funny mix, though, which makes me wonder of the person who made it was trying to push a narrative.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, Japan makes sense. Life as a single mother here is brutal from talking to others.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I think many children born outside marriage are still born inside a permanent relationship. In many countries it isn't normative anymore to marry when you are living together as a couple.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is true and I do know couples like that, however there are additional wrinkles with things like Japan's koseki system, access to daycare, etc. that can play into difficulties for those as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    True, I'd like to see the data further divided into "born to couples that could as well be married" and "born outside (long-term) relationship". I even know couples that marry after the birth of their children. My uncle married when his oldest kid was like 10 or so. And on the other hand, some couples marry during pregnancy and get divorced a few years later. I think the chart is first and foremost about how normative marriage is.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    The Scandinavian countries close to the top is no suprise to me, both my kids are born outside of marriage. But I'm confused about the latin american countries. I imagined catholicism was a pretty big deal there? Wouldn't children born outside of marriage be a big no-no?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm just spit balling here but I believe Catholics are also very against birth control and abortion, so that could play a role as well, no?

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    don't forget to check christianty Extended Universe, 2000 years of people interpreting random passages in ways that suit their narrative and makes them sound only slightly delusional

    "be fruitful and multiply? ah, so i need to fuck a lot. and when i fuck a lot i need to breed a lot. and if i make any attempts at doing one without the other i am evil and a sinner and will go to hell"

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    More religious means less sex education and less access to birth control. Abortion might also be more frowned upon so they carry the baby to term even out of wedlock. And let’s face it, religion isn’t stopping teenagers with raging hormones and young adults from having sex.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's also the issue of what "marriage" is defined as in each country. I know that there are states in the US where you qualify as "common law" married if you just live together, both agree you are married, and say in public that you are married. Even stranger is while that sounds a like a liberal thing, it's not. It's the law in at least one of the most conservative states in the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm pretty sure Asia has more than 4 countries. The others didn't fit the narrative, I guess?

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    A lot of people just don’t get married, or do so very late. I bet the vast majority of those babies are born into healthy long-term relationships.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Ahh. I confused 'outside of marriage' with 'children born our of affair'. It did not fit my image of Scandinavians at all to see them near the top of the list.

    The high percentages make way more sense to me now.

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    In CR it’s very common not to bother registering your partnership with the state. I’m assuming the statistic goes by legal marriage.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'm surprised it's only 50% in Sweden, marriage isn't that common. I have many friends and family members with young kids and none of them are married.

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