Manjaro still too dam high what you all doing
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I'm doing my part 🫡
correct me if im wrong but isnt bazzite threating to stop development?
I hate that. Arch better.
Why Bazzite is not great imo:
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Immutable structure creates difficulties for customization (more applicable to desktop systems than handhelds/custom consoles).
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Fedora base means potential discontinuation of necessary components and slow package manager.
Why Arch is better:
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Up to date packages without Fedora's issues.
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Support from gaming-related companies such as Valve.
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This part was a joke after all.
Immutable structure creates difficulties for customization (more applicable to desktop systems than handhelds/custom consoles).
FWIW, it seems that 2/3 of Bazzite's user base uses it (primarily) as a game console anyways.
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- true; although immutable can be easily changed but advised against because the delicate gaming environment
- fedora does not have the lag, discontinuations?
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- not true
- true bazzite is a drop in replacement for steamos
- i appreciate you sense of humor
fedora does not have the lag, discontinuations?
Lag? And discontinuous of stuff like X11 and PulseAudio. They even tried to pass removal of 32 bit packages recently. It may not sound important for 64 bit systems but actually a lot of apps (especially proprietary ones) are in themselves 32 bit.
lag - out of date packages
the discontinuations you said, need to happen, how it happens will be managed well
how it happens will be managed well
That's the thing. Fedora doesn't manage it well. They just go first.
yeah? well i'm doing the fedora thing right now, it'a been wonderful
do you think i should go back to arch?
I'm pretty pleasantly surprised at how well Arch and its derivatives are doing.
Why anyone uses manjaro is beyond me
im honestly surprised my OS is lumped into Other. i would have assumed there were more people on Fedora
Fedora is great but installing nvidia drivers is just enough of a hassle for most people to skip over it and choose a derivative like Bazzite
Also codecs.. even with the right repositories enabled, you'll tend to install a media application that manages to be utterly incapable of actually processing most media.
They've made strides on this front but it's still messed up.
Also sometimes they are too aggressive on one front. Some of the applications you can install from their repository that have some python based features are broken because they can't handle python 3.13. There's some ability to install python 3.12 but without much beyond the core making it less useful.
I tried Bazzite and found the hassle of installing anything that needed to be in a container to be greater than installing Nvidia drivers on Fedora.
They won me over since Sunshine on Fedora was a hassle to install and gave me corrupted graphics. Wouldn't be surprised if Fedora's codec-hell had something to do with it. On Bazzite everything I needed was preinstalled and worked out of the box.
I’m really happy to see Bazzite climbing the chart. It’s by far the best gaming-centric Linux distro.
I’m not sure I will ever understand the appeal of Linux Mint. Not because it’s bad, but because there are better distros for every use-case I can think up, especially gaming.
Mint is very plain and simple, which makes it the most non-threatening transition from Windows for casual users. It's also one of the most well rounded distros. Sure, other distros can do specific things better, but Mint deserves its flowers for its polish.
Yeah, bazzite, or any atomic distro, is not something I would recommend to someone coming from windows. It's just too different in some ways.
Been running bazzite myself as a fairly experienced linux user and love it though.
I found it easy to transition to as a new linux user. I'm curious what you think makes it too different.
I think it would actually be better for beginners, were it not for issue solving: any web search for a solution is bound to give you mostly answers written for traditional distros, which would potentially be incompatible with Bazzite.
Mint feels a little sloppy, though.
I would much rather suggest Bluefin, which is from the same group as Bazzite. And if you are a fan of KDE (or a more Windows-like UI), then Aurora is an excellent one, too.
They are all atomic, so users can't really mess them up.
Bazzite > Bluefin > Aurora in usership from what I've seen. I started on Bazzite KDE but ended up staying with Aurora.
Yes, Bazzite and Bluefin are more popular for sure. But I like Aurora as a daily driver (more for power users), and have Bluefin installed in other laptops and our TV's miniPC for its "Chrome OS" feel and simplicity.
But any option is better than Mint, IMO. Mint feels unfinished and was not very stable. Aurora and Bluefin are the only linux distros that I haven't broken in 24h. LOL
What would be better for desktop use? It’s simple, with wizards and help for setting up almost everything, has support for all the ubuntu stuff like ppas and deb packages so if there is a linux package for some software you are usually covered, and it also doesn’t restrict you from doing whatever you want, so you can change it to your liking (and at least there is a stable base that you start changes from)
If you don't mind me asking, why exactly is bazzite a gaming centric Linux distro? What does it do different from other distro. I know it's an atomised fedora based distro, aside from the drivers and software that's pre installed, what does it offer that it gets recommended as distro for gaming user?
... Thats about it. Bazzite comes with everything you need to play games without much hassle pre installed. All the drivers, software to run windows games, various utilities such as key remapping, steam, and if desired you can even get emulators pre installed to play console games.
It also works with next to zero cli knowledge required which is great for anyone who may be coming from windows and is intimidated by that Linux facet. You can just slap it on a machine and generally things just work and you can start playing.
What else do you need?
You install, log into steam and play games. The age of modpatching custom kernels for low latency or hardware hacks is gone. The kernel already das what it takes to outperform windows on gaming. It's all on the user space now to bring convenience and ease of use.
The package distribution model was never popular with users. It was perfect for sys admins. But people don't want to manage a system, they want to use their device. Image based containerized OS and software distribution makes more sense for end users who have no interest on troubleshooting a pacbage dependency conflict.
Ohh okay, when people pushed it as distro for gaming my mind did think about custom kernel optimised for gaming. I was really hoping it was something like that but yeah you are right I have seen and heard about diferent distros running some games better on Linux so the kernel is already there. Anyway the good news from all this is people who used windows primarily for gaming is now shifting to Linux whatever the flavour it may be.
Here I am thinking how can we bully GOG into making their platform linux-ready
Pop_OS really gets less love than it deserves. imo it should replace Mint as the standard go-to recc.
Hard to recommend a distro that hasn't seen a new release in over 3 years.
It's basically a rolling release so that's false
Tried the iso in a VM, gnome is still very much on version 42. They obviously abandoned shop to focus all their resources on their shiny new DE.
They also stay pretty current with the kernel and many other packages. Their new DE is hopefully going to be good. They are trying to make a better gnomish experience. We'll see.
They also stay pretty current with the kernel and many other packages.
I guess that's better than nothing, that doesn't make it a rolling release though. It's an unstable point release that got half-stuck in the past until they get their cosmic shit together.
I used to run Pop, but then updates stopped working. I reinstalled, but the problem was still there. With no fix in weeks, I switched to Mint and no problems so far.
I saw an interview on Youtube with the guy heading the Bazzite development. Apparently, he's a "Microsoft Linux Community Manager". What exactly is Microsoft's involvement with Bazzite?
Uh that just might be his full time job? Plenty of Linux is used in the business world with Azure and WSL
I see. I just started using Bazzite and Mint, and I find myself liking Bazzite more. I'd be bummed to find out they were corporate all along, like Android.
I don't know if there is any, but I just came across this talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfWjhEWyblo&t=15868s
This language is a bit concerning

I'm curious, what exactly makes Bazzite a gaming-focused distribution? Like, it comes with Steam preloaded, I'm guessing, are there other aspects to it? I used to distro-hop a bit back in the late 00s, and while it was fun to see what the different distributions bundled and whatnot, it never felt like something was particularly suited for one thing or another.
I'm now on OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, and it's just... Linux, I guess? I play games on it, VR, what have you, and it does what I want it to.
I'm curious, what exactly makes Bazzite a gaming-focused distribution? Like, it comes with Steam preloaded, I'm guessing, are there other aspects to it?
As you correctly guessed already, indeed, Steam is included by default. Beyond that, we got some of the usual suspects:
- A lot of other OOTB enabling (like e.g. OOTB Nvidia driver support, controller support etc) that one might like on a system used for gaming
- The use of another kernel + scheduler (and probs more) for improved gaming performance
- Depending on the image you install, you get Steam Gaming Mode OOTB; i.e. the UI found on the Steam Deck
- It's perfectly suited for the console experience, because of how seamless everything works by virtue of the automatic updates in the background + updates being atomic + built-in rollback functionality + the amount of control the
bootcmodel gives for image management to the image maintainers
It does a whole lot more than that, but the above should probs suffice.
I used to distro-hop a bit back in the late 00s, and while it was fun to see what the different distributions bundled and whatnot, it never felt like something was particularly suited for one thing or another.
Hmm..., FWIW, Ubuntu Studio has been around since 2007. I suppose it's basically the same idea, but directed towards creative use rather than gaming.
I'm now on OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, and it's just... Linux, I guess? I play games on it, VR, what have you, and it does what I want it to.
To be clear, Bazzite can perfectly work as a general use computer; especially for those that appreciate the bootc model but would like to consume it through a popular 'image'.
If you're running Nvidia, it includes the official drivers OOTB and keeps them updated. There's also stuff like WINE and Lutris already included, udev rules to make sure all controllers just work. For handhelds or home theatre PCs it includes gamescope and will boot straight into gamemode/big picture mode without the DE loaded, saving resources. There's lower level stuff as well, like a modified kernel that makes things faster, kmods for AMD APUs so you can adjust the TDP properly, scripts for setting up things like Sunshine easily. It's also immutable, which is great for gaming because if anything breaks on an update, you can easily reboot back into the previous version in minutes and get to gaming without eating limited gaming time troubleshooting or downgrading stuff.
I have it installed on one of the original Lenovo Legion Go's and it makes it indistinguishable from a Steam Deck in function. Even with SteamOS getting a wider release now, it still offers a bunch of advantages.
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