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[–] 41 points 9 months ago (5 children)

"died after guards held him down and he stopped breathing"

Fucks sake AP, what's with the passive voice here? Was he holding his fucking breath??

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's unfortunate but usually wording like that is intentional and necessary, I.E if you say "mother fuckers murdered him" you'll get sued.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    A couple caveats

    1. this only applies if you're a trusted news source - musk or trump could say this tomorrow and would win the case because they're known liars. The implication here is that anyone that can legally get away with saying shit any other way is either a small potato, known liar or if its irrefutable truth.

    2. I think in this case, specifically, they could probably say he was murdered by somebody because they already said homocide in the title

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I'm not saying they're correct in not calling it that, or that the system necessarily works that way, but they'll have lawyers to look over everything in these sorts of scenarios and they'll, usually, ask to play it safe.

    Also, re point 2, it's different to say "autopsy says it's homicide" vs the paper/journalist saying that they were murdered. Unless it's legally ruled as such (judge/court case), the news agency could be liable if they said it themselves. The headline is essentially just quoting someone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Lot of grey area this side of libel, especially for active v passive voice.

    The other one is when an underage suspect is a person of color you get "17 year old man" rather than "17 year old minor/child/student/driver/suspected victim of police brutality" etc..

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago

    As did Epstein.

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  • [–] 59 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Too bad nothing will be done about it.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This show ain't over, yet. You got a crystal ball?

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement said the 55-year-old father of four was attempting suicide and the staff tried to save him.

    ...save him...

    for themselves

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And those braindead maga fucks cheer it on. "Well he shouldn't have been illegal!" "He should've never come here in the first place!"

    As if any of those excuses justify fucking murder.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    MDCGA
    Making Death Camps Great Again.

    Land of the free, home of the brave.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Wow, so they strangle people to death now, too. Great.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm just waiting for a Grok generated video of another detainee doing it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Died of asphyxiation. grrr. There's a heap of justice waiting to land on somebody. Several somebodies.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Maybe another protest sign will do the trick

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I like that my Lemmy app shows a little baby chick 🐣 icon next to brand new accounts. Super handy.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Protest signs are one step up from protest comments, though I agree that the pattern needs progression across the board. 

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Sure but this online, so comments are what we have in this space.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    and it's the only space you take any action within

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Way to tell on yourself, I never made the claim you did. If all your doing is commenting, you're doing nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    WHOA, Whoa, whoa. I have it on good authority that most lemmy commenters think commenting takes lots of effort. -This is based on my experience of telling people on here that "I couldn't care less" about certain issues and saying "commenting on lemmy takes next to no effort." Boy did those people try to convince me I was wrong.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Ice out here murdering people in their concentration camps-

    New York court records show Lunas Campos was convicted in 2003 of sexual contact with a person under 11, a felony for which he was sentenced to one year in jail and placed on the state’s sex offender registry.

    Actually I'll take a pass, I'll get upset at the next one

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Everyone deserves due process no matter how heinous they are. If someone is denied due process, no one has due process.

    Except for the Nazi ringleaders, I'm perfectly ok with denying them due process

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Congrats, Trump has just designated you a Nazi ringleader, now you don't get due process. You say it isn't true, but how do you prove it if you aren't given due process? See how this is always fucking stupid? Everyone gets due process or nobody does.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Except for the Nazi ringleaders, I’m perfectly ok with denying them due process

    Sadly even Nazi ringleaders, otherwise Republicans will simply label those protesting ICE as "Nazi ringleaders" to deny them due process. I'm a big fan of the due process that Nazi's received in Nuremberg and the outcome of those trial against those assholes.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    This is the exact shit they want. They probably chose to murder this dude specifically for exactly this reason.

    Don't fall for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    speaking as someone who was raped as a child, you don't get to tell me shit. It's illegal, and I want the officers held responsible, BUT, I don't care about child rapists getting murdered. Couldn't care less, actually. Hope it happens to all of them.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

    It's ok. I'm sure all these dead people will be fine come midterms. Remember to film the ICE agents so we can maybe try and do something in court later. Oh, and stay peaceful when protesting the people actively attacking you with chemical weapons. You wouldn't want to give them a reason to be even more violent! Don't worry, we're voting to give more resources, training, and body cameras to the SS troops! Vote blue no matter who!

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Lame ass fed posting. The only thing we'll get is more bodies and public opinion turning against us if we go your route. It's a fucking miracle that Trump hasn't been given his excuse to send in the military yet.

    We need more protesting and more protesters, but the people out on the street so far are doing it right.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    I'm one of those in the street you dumb ass. Have been since 2016. Until YOUR eyes are burning from pepper bombs and you're choking on gas, kindly shut the fuck up. It's not fed posting to criticize the failure of the Democratic party to do anything.

    You want fed posting. Here, you go!

    Grow up and arm yourself. They literally just told ICE agents to ignore the 4th amendment today. Literally an official command to violate your fundamental right. This isn't a joke. Get to know your neighbors and get organized.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    Excuse me, but why haven't you started the (counter) violence yourself then?

    It's not fed posting to criticize the failure of the Democratic party to do anything.

    Funny how you think you did this, or that I was telling you not to.

    Grow up and arm yourself.

    Who says I haven't? Good advice BTW.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Excuse me, but why haven't you started the (counter) violence yourself then?

    Asking such a dumb question shows your complete ignorance of activism or organization. But I don't want you being turned off from it by a frustrated internet commenter.

    Maybe. I'm wrong. But you really sound ignorant. If you aren't doing anything, instead of replying with another condescending comment, do something else instead. Go search for DSA, PSL, or any immigrant rights organizations in your area and go sign up for the next available meeting. Join a meetup IN PERSON some time this week or next. Find a way to help.

    If you're not in the US. Then I don't know why you'd even reply in the first place. So, I'm assuming you are.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Asking such a dumb question shows your complete ignorance

    Someone who uses so much untagged sarcasm as you did ought to be able to recognize when others do, especially with how obvious I made it.

    Maybe. I'm wrong. But you really sound ignorant.

    You are.

    go sign up for the next available meeting.

    And you sound privileged. I have health issues that make that nearly impossible. I donate and participate as I can through PV. Comparing your activism to others you don't even know is also really lame, and I'll bet your local DSA organizers would discourage it.

    Find a way to help.

    I do what I can, and that includes calling out posters who sound like they are encouraging violence that will both hurt the cause and get more good people killed. Maybe consider the clarity of your comments going forward if that's not what you intend to communicate.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I literally never encouraged violence mate. I explained a real situation where thousands of people are being given the option of (1) get brutalized, kidnapped, or killed. Or (2) defend yourself.

    That's it. You didn't like that that was reality. I don't like that either. But I understand why people will resort to violence as a means of defense from state violence. They will when all other systems have failed them. And they have. We are at the stage of SS troops door knocking for papers if you didn't notice.

    YOU want people to keep choosing option (1). (Or are just ignorant which is clearly your issue) So you're incorrectly labeling me as the problem for even acknowledging that (2) is an option.

    That's not encouraging violence. It's acknowledging reality of what happens when people are brutalized by the state. I don't want option (1) or (2). I want an option (3) the systems of state government to defend citizens. But that's not happening. They are offering NOTHING to stop people from being attacked.

    You took my criticism of the lack of any option (3) as being advocating for option (2). I'm just acknowledging reality. Are you in denial and think option (3) is "going to work later" or something? Later isn't fucking helpful when it's happening right now and (1) and (2) are the choices.

    I hope that clears it up. Because I'm not going to engage in your radlib identity bullshit you just tried to inject into the conversation for no reason.

    But, you are ignorant of what's going on in the streets. Watching a video isn't giving you an experience of reality mate. You say I'm wrong that you're ignorant of this and then literally admit you can't go out on the streets. You are by definition ignorant of the experience on the street. Like, holy shit, how can you say you're not? You admitted it right after saying I'm wrong for calling you ignorant. Like, this level of hubris is shocking.

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What exactly did I say that doesn't make sense? I think I was pretty clear.

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  • [+] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    What? No. I did actually think you were the other person though. My bad there, and that might be the source of confusion.

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