Wow the Country founded on Slavery and Genocide is bad??? shocked-pikachu

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[–] 28 points 9 months ago

“Putin is behind this, he literally spends 10b$ in orange makeup every tuesday/thursday/saturday so he can play Trump, on Monday he plays himself and occasionally on Sundays to blow off some steam he plays Kim!”

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: This anti-American trend in non-political communities needs to stop. Political content outside of political channels sucks in general.

    👉 !nonpolitical_memes@lemmy.ml

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Don't be a shitty country if you don't want to by hated by every single person in the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    to be fair; we haven't been in control of this country for a few decades now.

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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  • [+] -17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    ...Ya know, countries NOT founded on genocide and slavery seem to be the minority.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There's like < 10 current countries founded on settler colonialism.

    The US, Canada, Israel, Australia, New Zealand are the main ones

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    What about like all of latin america? Where they not colanised by spain?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's a lot of marxist debate over this, but the general view is best shown by this phrase:

    "When the Spanish came to the americas, they demanded the peoples to become christians. When the English came, they wiped them out."

    Even the Spanish Queen Isabella in the 1500s after Columbus's voyages demanded that the indigenous peoples be considered subjects with full rights. The Spanish never tried to systematically wipe out the indigenous in the same way the english did.

    And by the time of Bolivar, a big chunk of Latin Americans were, although christian, supportive of indigenous resistance, and slave rebellions like in haiti. At the same time presidents in the US were decrying the haitian revolution and carrying out the largest scale genocide of our time.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting so I guess still colonized but not genocided.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Depending on the place and period, yes. In Argentina there were definitely genocides against indigenous people and also mass immigration, but it's also complicated because even here we have considerable indigenous blood and too many Argentinians don't wanna reckon with it. Depending on the region some folks have 1/4 or 1/2 indigenous heritage, about a third is estimated to be mixed like that.

    All that said Argentina is quite racist, not talking about online trolls or some dumb shit that isn't representative of the country, people are generally friendly to foreigners, but we're still a racist country because there's racial profiling of indigenous people, our elites identify as white European, our media would have you believe that everyone here is white, you get better opportunities if you're white, etc. Some Argentinians believe that just because our police doesn't terrorize people exclusively on grounds of race we have no real racism and we only have classism, but most of those Argentinians are white.

    I do believe we're a settler colony, we benefit from living in stolen land, even if the vast majority of us are recent arrivals, poor and never owned people, we do benefit from being treated better than the original inhabitants of this place, and we benefit more the whiter we are. But this is just about Argentina and my experience, I don't think it's universal for all of Latin America, just a part of it.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [+] -20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I would argue that he isn’t that American. He is a parody of America, he is every joke people made about America over the years turned literal

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Except Americans voted him into office. Twice.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    he was elected twice, sure, but in the first case, he lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes, and in both case, he didn't get a majority, and the majority of americans didn't vote either way at all.

    it's bad, but no matter how you slice it, trump voters make up less than a quarter of the US population.

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    [–] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This. And also for Israel. And France.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't matter if a country is authoritarian or democratic, every bourgeois nation state currently in the existence partakes in brutalization of proles and furthering the interests of capital.

    Put all of the countries in there, workers have no nation.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Okay but no one stands to gain from this Greenland nonsense like Putin

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The United States is engaging in war and economic bullying across the globe, disenfranchising millions from the Global South. Whether it benefits Russia or not is impertinent to the crimes the US has commited since its inception.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent right now and I do think that's pertinent. Even if it is in line with the rest of american history.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent

    I think his actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes. Trump is as American as it can get, and saying that he's acting like a "Russian agent" dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents, from genociding native Americans, to dtaging coup d'etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This is as American as it can get, and blaming those despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Trump IS a Russian asset, don't forget, they spent a lot of time and money to get him then keep him there. That doesn't mean he doesn't represent the horrid values of the USA from the past decade.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Trump's actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes, from genociding native Americans, to staging coup d'etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Saying that he's acting like a "Russian agent" dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents around the world, and blaming his despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I feel you're missing the point. Yes, Trump represents the white heritage of subjugation and genocide of the USA. But he didn't get there by chance, there was a massive external campaign of disinformation to get him there as well. If there wasn't interference, well we don't know what the out come would have been. But you cannot overlook the fact that Russia WAS using him before hand and saw a useful idiot when the time came.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Trump's rise to power was absolutely not by chance. However, your analysis isn't satisfactory from a materialist perspective. Rather, it was the sum of neoliberal policies of the last few decades that radically transformed the material conditions of the United States (and other Western capitalist countries), culminating in several economic crises, most notably in 2008. The working class has suffered the most from deindustrialization and social services defunding, which Trump has perfectly weaponized in his campaigns by promising a fictitious return to an equally fictitious past. You have lower wages? Blame it on the immigrants! No jobs? Blame it on non-whites!! And so forth.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Por que no los dos?

    (America and Russia have the same values)

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