Yeah, guess what? We should have banned them long before they became the "strongest opposition force in parliament". Now that they poll over 20%, of course its tricky. Who would have thought?
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It's a very American viewpoint to believe that sentiments just spring up organically with no influence from political leaders and their role in the whole process is to take opinion polls and only then decide what they believe.
Taking away the microphones of hate-mongers doesn't make hate cease to exist, but it pushes it back into the shadows and cuts off an avenue for it to breed. The US would be a less hateful and less fascist place if Donald Trump was in prison. Leaders can drive the conversation and mainstream fringe ideas. The Democratic establishment just chooses not to.
While I agree with the goal, this doesn’t make the underlying voter sentiment go away. What is the German government doing to address the underlying reasons for AFD’s rise? Regardless of their veracity, those thoughts are prevalent enough to cause this problem. While they might lessen, they won’t simply go away with the party if it’s banned. They have to be addressed, one way or another. I’m in the US, and I would argue that, out side of his base, most Trump voters don’t like the guy at all. Yet the Democrats’ “We’re not them” message has so far not been an consistent winner!
Exactly. This is a bandaid / plaster.
Deal with the real problem. Be honest about why people are upset. Let them actually speak their minds without judgement. Then, analyse it. Find solutions.
Banning a social movement of this scale is madness.
Deal with the real problem. Be honest about why people are upset. Let them actually speak their minds without judgement. Then, analyse it. Find solutions.
Exactly. The solution to people saying "Foreigners are taking our jobs" is not to outlaw saying "Foreigners are taking our jobs" (though the AfD has done enough other things that warrant a ban), it's not to get rid of foreigners, it's not even to create more jobs. It's to make sure that people have at least their most important needs (housing, food, transport, access to information, basic entertainment) covered even with a part-time job or no job at all. Instead the CDU/CSU tries to brand everyone who doesn't work 60 hours per week until they're 70 as lazy. Guess what? There are way more people out there who would like to work but can't (for whatever reason) than ones who actively try to cheat the system. And no increase of weekly working time, no mandatory Excel training for unemployed people and no right-shift of politics will solve that.
Show people that the left and center are able to provide what they need and they will have no reason to blame minorities for their problems.
Billionares existing while people are forced to slave away practically all of their life is obscene. For billionaires to then go on to use that wealth to do anything and everything to the point of wearing down the fabric of society and fundamentally disrupting peace just to perpetuate this system is maddening and unacceptable. It's on leftist parties to fix this problem peacefully.
Show people that the left and center are able to provide
I wonder if they can, with the reversed population pyramid most EU countries experience.
those thoughts are prevalent enough to cause this problem.
Can take people out of the soviet, but can't take soviet out of the people (1).
Sadly it's a system of thought that isn't concerned with observable reality. It's a sentiment I recognise in most (political) extremists: the idea that your problems must be someone else's fault (the brown, women, billionairs, ... pick your poison).
And, as you noticed, banning it will indeed only validate that sentiment.
(I grew up in DDR, luckily left in early 90s. A solution is therapy, as those people are stuck in generational trauma, which is known to lessen or completely void you of empathy. But that doesn't scale to halve a country).
The capitalist class can't make the machine run without unnecessary suffering and death. They used to be able to keep it out of sight in the global South and Asia. Through greed, they kept bringing more and more to the global West. Too many westerners still handwave it away and bury their heads, but as population, and thus unnecessary suffering and death increases, so too the population that doesn't look away and entertain themselves to stop thinking and talking about it. We are a threat, so expect worsening conditions to be rapidly escalated. That said, hold hope and keep working for a more equitable day.
I think most of us are struggling with this issue, but I'm really not sure what to do about it. Is banning them outright bad? Maybe? I just don't know.
We're all stuck in a planet scale tolerance paradox, and I don't think any current solution is particularly convincing or palatable.
In the early 90s something similar happened in Belgium (1).
What lessened the extremism in the following couple of elections was investment (in infrastructure, healthcare, economic opportunities, etc) outside of the cities as well.
It turned out that for every tax frank gathered, 80 cents were spend on prettifying the larger cities and the major port. People were mostly (rightly?) pissed off that government represented a terrible ROI for the same group of people for decades. They would've been better of without a federal government. They saw their lives get worse, whilst at the same time that government applauded themselves for the great things they achieved.
I'm not sure how feasible the same solution is today, as there's very little investment budget anyways. Most of tax revenue goes to pensions and healthcare of a reversed population pyramid.
Ban them, and make a sweet, sweet deal with Nayib Bukkake in El Salvador to house these terrorists in CECOT. He’s still smarting from being called out for housing innocent Venezuelans in that concentration camp, plus he needs the money real bad.
The voter sentiment that got them this far isn't going to go away, is it?
A sentiment that wants to end democracy has no right to participate in that democracy. Yes, that sentiment has to be fought with ideas as well. But Germany knows too well from history that a democracy can be ended through democratic means. That is why these instruments were implemented in the first place.
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