The topic has been debated since April, when the EU Commission first unveiled "ProtectEU," a strategy aiming to create a roadmap for "lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement." The Commission then presented the Roadmap in June, which outlined an intent to decrypt citizens' private data by 2030.

Most member states argue that simply knowing who owns an account isn't enough. Instead, they want a new legal baseline where companies are forced to log exactly when and where a user was online, as well as the IP addresses they used to connect.

As AdGuard VPN's Chief Product Officer, Denis Vyazovoy, told TechRadar back in April: "A legal framework that forces VPNs to retain user metadata – potentially for a prolonged period – could make such services untenable, leading to the withdrawal of VPN providers from the EU."

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[–] 49 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How do we persuade our elected politicians to stop trying to speedrun authoritarianism and fascism?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Crucially, the document reveals that EU governments see metadata – specifically traffic and location history – as the most vital tool for law enforcement.

    Ah, yes. Store data at the risk of it being hacked or used by companies in order to protect the people from themselves.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I'm at a loss as to what to do should Mullvad fall to this shit. I could try something self hostable but I'm really not that skilled with that kind of thing.Β 

    Any suggestions?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm self-hosting an OpenVPN instance on a Digital Ocean droplet in Amsterdam. I built it from the ground up several years ago, looks WAY easier now.

    https://openvpn.net/as-docs/digitalocean.html#digitalocean-vpn-server-guide-for-droplet-and-access-server

    Haven't used that particular doc, but what they had posted when I built mine was the clearest, most complete tech documentation I've ever followed. Big fan of Digital Ocean! Think I'm paying <$7/mo. for the server?

    Not necessary, but if you want a domain name to point to karashta.whatever.name, NameCheap is my go-to registrar. Like Digital Ocean, cheap and comes with top-notch tech support.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I've eventually switched from NameCheap to Cloudfare, because they kept drastically raising my email domain price.

    Cloudfare is one of the few (not sure if the only one) who has guaranteed wholesale prices (as in, the prices set by the tld owner), with nothing added on top. I moved my domain over, and I saved around 15$ a month.

    The best thing to do is buy a domain in some other registrar, like NameCheap, because they will give you the domain for cheaper than wholesale (and then raise your price by a lot in the next few years, way above wholesale). So I just buy it cheap, and once the next renewal is higher than wholesale, I move it over to Cloudfare and keep it there.

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  • [+] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)
    [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    A self hosted vpn on a vps droplet would have the same issue as a vpn provider, no? They'd (the vps provider) would have logs of the adresses you've connected to etc.

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    [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Companies are going to hate it when they're not allowed to have remote connections for their directors and IT departments.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 10 months ago

    Either there will be exceptions for corporations or there will be a backdoor requirement with which corporations will comply, and we'll soon be seeing headlines about state-sponsored hackers taking advantage of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Companies generally do not use 'VPN services', they maintain their own VPNs. This is what makes them virtual Private networks. The data retention laws are aimed for the 'VPN providers' who use the 'VPN' term for a different, very non-private services, used to circumvent geolocation and make tracking (even lawful) by some parties harder.

    I do not say those services should not exist (there are legitimate uses for them), but do not mix them with actual private networks.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    There's not enough protest against steady loss of privacy.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    If you take away the privacy from a privacy service you're literally destroying it. So just ban VPNs directly fucktards. Or is that too obvious?

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Oops, our logs and all redundant backups were mistakenly deleted and securely overwritten.

    By whom? Ooops, our login database had mysteriously corrupted and wiped by our agentic AI.

    Here's 300PB of code and training data for the ai.

    Hope that helps.

    Now, can we have a little peek at your personal computing devices?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    How does this interact with gpdr? It seems at odds.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    No it isn’t at all.

    GDPR allows you to store data about people provided it’s necessary to provide the service or meet legal requirements.

    GDPR prevents you from storing more data than is needed and from storing data longer than you need it.

    GDPR requires you to inform users what data you are storing about them, when requested, and to delete any data you hold on users when requested.

    Since this would be a legal requirement there would be zero conflict.

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    [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I'll say it again, we have to start pushing in the opposite direction. Some examples:

    • Make it a basic right to not have any data about you collected unless strictly necessary for the service delivered.
    • Forbid data brokers and any other attempts to combine data from different sources.
    • Criminalize data leaks. Financial or medical malpractice can land people in prison or cause them to lose jobs. So should privacy/data malpractice. Note: negligence is a form of malpractice. It should not be possible to get away with a slap on the wrist kind of fine after a major data breach.
    • Use the most extreme examples and statistics. Cambridge analytica was at the basis of a major attack on democracy using data from Facebook etc. Both Facebook, Cambridge analytica and benefitting parties should be held accountable in such a case.
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Key notes and some thoughts:

    1. "It is emphasized that national legislation on storing and access to retained traffic and location data for the purpose of safeguarding national security should be exempt from future EU legislation, regardless of which national authority requests access."

    2. "Some Member States highlight the fact that it would be important to bear in mind the recommendations of the High level Group regarding the enforcement of sanctions against electronic and other communications service providers which do not comply with requirements regarding the retention and provision of data."

    3. "Some Member States stress that access rules at EU level should not interfere with national rules on the admissibility of data."

    4. One could argue the opposite. One could argue that the admissibility of any data that are subject to disclosure should be subjectable to a negative protection test regarding their admissibility, in accordance to proportionality and procedural safeguards, therefore by instituting exclusionary rules. Those exclusionary rules of data subject to disclosure, should be the subject of harmonization. This is the best way to protect fundamental rights, while reducing impediments to investigations. Any data retention obligation should be only be the competence of members states (by national laws). It would be those laws that should be the subject of future litigation in terms of their validity and compliance with the EU primary law, and of the general principles (of EU law). "Therefore argue that a new EU data retention regime should not rely on a literal application of those rulings to individual cases, but rather on an assessment of the principle of proportionality in line with the CJEU’s general guidelines as they result from the application of the Charter (CFREU), combined with appropriate mechanisms for oversight by independent bodies or judicial authorities to ensure full protection of fundamental rights." We have seen how certain competent authorities duck replying - courts per CFREU, the treaties and the general principles of EU law, courts must reply, otherwise they are not courts.

    5. "Member States consider that EU legislation should not define the concept of ’serious crimeβ€˜ " This is an interesting take that allows any member state crime to be defined as serious.

    6. "Member States consider that targeted data retention would be insufficient to achieve a good outcome for the investigations, since law enforcement authorities will not always know in advance by whom, when, and where a crime is going to be committed."

    7. "Member States also mention the importance of aligning future data retention rules with existing ... regulation in the field of consumer protection." So we break consent for supposedly crime investigation purposes but we also want it applied in civil actions. Using the power to compel under criminal law for civil actions, that's something

    8. "Some Member States and the EU Counter-terrorism coordinator agree that over-the-top (OTT) services should be subject to retention obligations due to their dominance in communications "

    9. "Most Member States express general support for future legislation to have the broadest possible scope of application"

    10. "Other Member States point out that the system should be based on general retention combined with robust access safeguards." So back to the wording of the old directive in essence.

    11. So they want what they had in the past. They are talking about subjecting correspondence that is transported through technological means, to a "mandatory" retention obligation, yet no one seems to even assess the implications for software developers in regards to their freedom speech in terms of writing software and the conscientious objections they might have with a measure of a broadest scope of application (indiscriminate). There isn't any assessment either regarding the (compelled) self-incrimination part, which is instituted by such regime, because any party to a correspondence would be compelled under criminal law, to forcibly disclose and make available self incriminating correspondence, even in civil proceedings.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    What do they consider to be a VPN provider? Anyone who sells access to exit nodes? Because I can’t see how they could require point to point VPN logging, nor requiring logging be baked into VPN software with no way to disable it.

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