Research in Indiana lays groundwork for highways that recharge EVs of all sizes across the nation

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[–] 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Conceptually neat, but the reality is that wireless charging for even small devices like phones is a pretty significant waste of energy, at scale. The amounts of energy involved with wirelessly charging a heavy truck - or even car - would be unconscionably large.

It’s a bit like uber with their not-a-bus bus service. Humans already invented a solution that works really well. It’s called a pantograph. Sweden is testing a ground-level power supply that provides 800kW per vehicle at 130kph.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, this sounds stupid, and I'm worried about the amount of power wasted by induction charging. Anyone who's wirelessly charged a phone knows it can get quite hot; that's wasted energy. And Indiana's generation is still mostly natural gas and coal, so at some point, with enough losses in transmission and charging, you'll end up with a higher-carbon vehicle than a diesel truck...

    I am not sure what that point is, but the efficiency of charging is an important consideration in my mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Well, it sorta makes sense in hindsight, it'd be even longer otherwise + this way you can clear lower obstacles on curves... But holy shit does it look like it shouldn't be possible. I mean they're super heavy, right? Right?

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    [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This must be beyond horrifically inefficient, a solution looking for a problem

    We solved this issue 100 yeaes ago, electrified trains. Battery trucks at the depot for last mile.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Or you could use the money to build really good charging infrastructure, and accept that a truckload arrives in 2 days and 6 hours instead of 2 days and 3 hours. Then you don't need a nuclear power plants worth of electricity in lost efficiency from charging wirelessly.

    Or you know; trains for long haul freight... Regional freight should be perfectly possible with wired charging...

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Do we know yet what the energy loss is?

    I think if it's like <= 10%, it's fine. If we're talking about 50%, this is beyond unacceptable.

    This article claims 90% efficiency has been achieved for moving vehicles, but it should likely be taken with some grains of salt. On the other hand, with phones it's unimportant on the level of the individual using it, so perhaps the phone wireless chargers aren't particularly optimized and it's possible to do better?

    Or you know; trains for long haul freight…

    Lovely idea and I'm very much in support of trains, but in a lot of countries the railroad infra just isn't there and can't be built on all routes. In my country, the 2nd, 4th and 6th largest cities by population likely can't be connected by rail. It'd be a popular route for passengers for sure, and likely useful for cargo too given that I've for sure seen plenty of trucks driving between those cities, but there's TWO large areas of wetlands in between. Super simple on a map, just draw a line east to west pretty much, but just isn't happening in real life. Easiest way to take a train is to go through the capital. So 4-5 hours by train vs 1-2.5 hours of driving depending on what route you're doing (actually one of the train routes to the capital is closed too right now, for a number of years already, but it'll be replaced by Rail Baltica eventually at least so that's nice). And that's despite the trains being faster than cars (speaking passenger cars and trains here - I wouldn't know about cargo)

    It's not a super long route end to end, but you could save on weight of batteries, which in turns increases maximum weight of cargo, since the total weight is limited. And charging would be a pain for long haul truckers in Europe because of the regulations on driving hours. E.g if because of a charge, your allowed 9 hours of daily driving time ends at midnight, well now you can't start driving again before 9 AM and that's if you haven't used up your weekly allowance of 3 9+3 hour split rests yet - otherwise you'd have to wait 11 hours. I've heard tales of long haul truckers in Europe skipping their piss breaks just so they could make it to a good rest station in time instead of having to stop at a random roadside parking lot. The system sucks in some ways and truckers hate it, but it prevents their employers from coercing them into driving dangerous hours (and "hero" truckers can't willingly do it either).

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    long haul truckers in Europe skipping their piss breaks

    Pretty sure every trucker worldwide uses piss bottles/jugs. I'm not even a trucker, I just drive long distances to and from work (5-12 hours) and I do it sometimes.

    way of the road, way she goes boys

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Seems like a lot of energy will be lost when transmitting the energy wirelessly. How about we put up some wires that can deliver the energy more efficiently. After that, we can switch out the rubber tyres on asphalt for steel wheels on steel rails, such that we improve the energy efficiency further. This way, we can transport so much more stuff at a fraction of the cost.

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is this Solar Freaking Roadways all over again?

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    This is a completely stupid idea that will seem good to children and idiots.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Great if it works, but I seriously doubt it's going to work.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    So what happens when you drop your phone on it?

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