Spotify, the world’s leading music streaming platform, is facing intense criticism and boycott calls following CEO Daniel Ek’s announcement of a €600m ($702m) investment in Helsing, a German defence startup specialising in AI-powered combat drones and military software.

The move, announced on 17 June, has sparked widespread outrage from musicians, activists and social media users who accuse Ek of funnelling profits from music streaming into the military industry.

Many have started calling on users to cancel their subscriptions to the service.

“Finally cancelling my Spotify subscription – why am I paying for a fuckass app that works worse than it did 10 years ago, while their CEO spends all my money on technofascist military fantasies?” said one user on X.

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[–] 135 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I boycotted them a long time ago when I found out they donated to Trump's campaign, despite being a Swedish company.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's legal through a US subsidiary if the funds come from US operations. The morality is questionable though

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Always worth keeping in mind that these fuckers are selling snake oil to one another under the guise of national security.

    This technology is dangerous not because it works as advertised but because it creates a vacuum of responsibility for when the very manual killing starts

    Israel's Lavender AI is a great example of this in action. It doesn't work in any meaningful way. All it does is label casualties in a bombing run as "terrorists" after the fact.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Spotify CEO also donated millions to trump campaign.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    What are the Spotify alternatives people recommend?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    IIRC Tidal and Qobuz should be good alternatives

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Qoobuz had the most horrific app I've ever experienced.

    Couldn't even search a song in a playlist bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    searching in a playlist in qobuz

    I feel it's been getting better. Like, it isn't perfectly smooth, but I like what I get on the Frontpage way more than what I did with Spotify.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh yeah, I feel qobuz has the right mentality and ethos to really break into the scene and disrupt.

    I loved everything about the experience, but the app was shockingly bad. Like, if it just behaved as gen 1 iTunes it would have been an improvement. Really bad at just the basic things. Just bad. And I cannot stress that enough lol.

    I'll keep an eye on them, but whoo-boy! I've never been scared off from an app so quickly

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    This is kinda funny to me because I was using Apple Music before, and I honestly feel it's less jank.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I will say I'm still rocking my samsung a71 so, maybe the tech just want up to it... but that experience was bad. Glad it works for you though

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Thanks.

    I was talking to my wife this morning about this thread and the Qobuz recommendation was just what she needed to replace and cancel Spotify. She was able to import her playlists from her Spotify account and she's been commenting for the past couple hours about how much better the audio quality is.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    If you're technically inclined, self-host navidrome or jellyfin.

    If you just want music and don't care about the streaming part, bandcamp (although it does have some basic streaming I believe).

    If you want streaming and aren't technically inclined, Tidal.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I have been using Deezer because it was local for me, France. At the beginning you could upload your own collection to share with others, it was fun. Now it's basically the same as the others, I think it pays artists a little bit more than Spotify. Also just learned that it is now majorly owned by some US investment fund. 🫠 At least it's not directly funding terminators yet?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    I jumped to Tidal many years ago because Spotify could not be bothered to provide high quality output. Yes, you can ear the difference, even on shitty gear.

    For the stuff I could not get on either platform I started buying CDs on Discogs and ripping them to FLAC.

    Edit: ear, not eat.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Apple music believe it or not. Nice selection and interface. Works on Apple devices as well as android. Has a high bitrate and supports aptx on android. Don't think they have a native app for windows or Linux, though, so you'd have to use the web version.

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    I stopped using Spotify long ago because of their shitty business practices. Producing a product they killed support for within just a couple years without reimbursing customers and producing huge amounts of e-waste. Jacking their subscription prices twice in one year. Apparently, they also donated to Trump despite not being an American company?? That's to say nothing of their shitty recommendation algorithm, which just plays your most played tracks over and over. Good riddance.

    For those interested, I use Tidal now. I'm satisfied with, their recommendation algo is fine and the higher quality streaming is really nice but nothing I've used has ever been as good as Google Play Music, I found so much good music though that service and could upload whatever I was missing. Once Tidal inevitably pisses me off, I'm going to move on to self hosting.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Being able to upload to Google Play Music was such a great feature. Honestly though, maybe it's best that they killed it when they did. That way it can live on in memory as the example of what a music streaming service should be like... instead of becoming an enshittified zombie like spotify is today.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dude, you should have stopped using Spotify when they let Joe Rogan on their platform… or when they started hosting fake music.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    “Said one user on X.”

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Funny enough, for local downloads of video game OSTs (which I like way too much), I've been recently turning to Steam of all things. Often cheaper than Bandcamp and DRM-free!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Been thinking of booting them for a whilst. Just cancelled. Better late than never.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah - been talking about doing so for quite a long time, and then signing up to a Qobuz family plan, downloading all their apps, and cancelling everything Spotify has taken all of five minutes. Hardly even interrupted the album we were listening to via Chromecast. There's a lesson to be learned somewhere.

    Qobuz' recommendations and albums-of-the-week actually look good, too. Like an actual music enthusiast has picked things out, rather than Spotify's slop.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same story here. I cancelled Spotify after the whole Trump thing and switched to Qobuz; the whole thing was pretty seamless. I've got to say, the increased quality is actually noticeable and, as you said, the curated selections actually seem to be, well, curated. Also, if you've got a load of playlists on Spotify you want to keep, Qobuz actually provides subscribers with free access to a migartion service that did a superb job.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think that’s the worry. Do I have to start again. Will my stuff be disrupted. Spotify has counted on me sleepwalking though with them and not moving because of this fear. They have had enough of my money.

    I had to laugh at the leaving page “if you leave me now you’ll take away the biggest part of me”. Spotify is not a human and I’ll take my money. They need to get lost with the emotive marketing, Spotify and the CEOs actions speak louder.

    My hard earned money and who I spend it with is one of my biggest voices in my world.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The best time to start boycotting was when they started platforming a conspiracy theorising, testicle headed manosphere peddler. The next best time is not I suppose.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    You're way to late then too. The perfect time to act on this was back in Iraq with that prince dick head with xi.

    Also we all should have taken a harder stance at celebrity using these private security companies. Drake's in Toronto blocking roads so he can get all 16 armored cars on to the 401.

    Lots of people really defend the stuff by saying "look how much money they bring to the city, we can ignore it" but at the end of the day, it's growing a new industry. I don't get why we don't call it out more like these fucks need to wait in traffic like the rest of us. I don't care who they are or how much money they make. Roads are a public space and shared by everyone equally.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Out of every company I would have never expected Spotify to be one of the ones to want that

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  • damn people are just learning that spotify is a shitty pro fascist/pro white supremacist company?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It is possible to get off Spotify.

    What you can't buy legitimately via other means you can use a Youtube-To-MP3 converter to rip and add the file to your music library.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're saving an already low-quality stream into a lossy format. Just use Soulseek.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    “Finally cancelling my Spotify subscription – why am I paying for a fuckass app that works worse than it did 10 years ago, while their CEO spends all my money on technofascist military fantasies?” said one user on X.

    You shouldn't be "paying for a fuckass app that works worse than it did 10 years ago" regardless of anything an executive has done. Be less lazy and cancel subscriptions to shitty services.

    Also, if a CEO doing a bad thing is a dealbreaker for them, why the fuck are they on twitter?.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I think one of the most toxic things on Lemmy is the prevalence of judging normies for using incredibly popular services and ascribing it to a character defect instead of life just being too complex for most people to be able to prioritize exploring more ethical technology choices.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I get where you're coming from, but it's not like there aren't multiple obvious alternatives (and not just on the fediverse). And someone being clued in enough to boycott Spotify should have no trouble finding those alternatives. Additionally, the platform being owned by an outright Nazi should give even the most out of touch people pause.

    But agreed that people could stand to be a bit more tactful about it and not immediately go on the attack.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So what is there for normies? YouTube which is also owned by a fascist company. Deezer which is shit. Apple which is another fascist company that supports trump. Tidal which has also had its fair share of controversy ( not paying artists), shit ui etc.

    And if you mention the fediverse people will look at you like you speak an alien language.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Most of those are lesser evils compared to X, and that's probably the best you can hope for. And Bluesky is the obvious alternative lesser evil choice if you want a like for like replacement and aren't open to Mastodon.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Additionally, the platform being owned by an outright Nazi should give even the most out of touch people pause.

    How is Daniel Ek a nazi? That's a wild take if I've ever heard one.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago*

    😎 If you're not compiling your own kernel 🏋🏼‍♂️ you're missing out on substantial gains 💪🏼. Just drink a little Nix shake in the morning 🤙🏼, then hit your favorite systemd alternative GitHub pages and pull the nightly 🤘🏼. You'll be so swole bro, you'll be Godify. 🎶

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No... It's just laziness let's not sugar coat it. You have the wealth of human knowledge in your pocket, knowledge of how to do absolutely anything and everything for free on a silver platter, all you have to do is prioritize exploring ethical technology choices. Complexity of the problem itself is not a good excuse to not learning to solve it as it continues to become a bigger problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Laziness doesn't exist. Everyone has their own struggles and it's pretty fucked up to judge someone because they don't choose to put their limited energy toward overcoming the obstacles that you take you've taken for granted having the ability to overcome. We should be encouraging curiosity and exploration, not demonizing people who got left behind and are too scared to try new things.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Jokes on them, I moved to CD and love it

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Helsing supplies Ukraine which is defending itself in accord with international law and the UN Charter. An attacked nation defending itself against Russian aggression. Nothing wrong with that. Basically the opposite of Russian Z-fascism.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, it seems they also didn't mention that it's a European defense company, not a US defense company.

    Europe is investing a lot into defense now and it's actually a good thing that they're moving away from dependence on the US defense industrial complex.

    Spotify sucks tho. But that's a separate thing.

    Clickbait article.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I empathize with the sentiment and agree with the argument that Europe should invest in its own defense infrastructure, particularly if Putin is gearing up to make a move.

    That being said, Im increasingly wary of Europe's willingness to appease Trump, and find it probable that, if right-wing parties continue making political gains, this same infrastructure will be turned against marginalized communities in these same countries; in a similar vein to the U.S regime's attacks against immigrants and dissenters.

    Again, I'm not opposed to re-armament, but I hope EU citizens exercise more vigilance and skepticism in this era of resurging nationalism and protectionism.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Everyone knows what Trump is. Trump is demanding an increase in military spending with the expectation that the money will go to the US. He's basically demanding tribute.

    Saying "sure we'll spend more on defense" while spending on our own defense industry is calling his bluff while also getting ready for if and when he starts using the US military to bully allies.

    Nobody else in the world needs to be lectured about the problems with the US military industrial complex. We know.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I can't speak for how viable it is for success or whether it's just a grift (as I haven't had the time to really research into it) but feels like as good a time as any to mention that, out in Australia, The Pack Music Cooperative is fundraising for a cooperative music streaming service: https://www.thepackaustralia.com.au/

    They haven't raised a lot towards their goal, yet, and could probably use an the help they can get. As a cooperative, they'll side step a lot of the probably problems a corporation like Spotify or Tidal will have and they already are dedicated to prioritizing artists and their rights.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Reading this while listening to vinyl...best enjoyable music experience.

    To hell with the enshitification of music streaming.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Well tough guy, how else is Raytheon supposed to perfect its AIM-9X Romper Room baby-seeking missile's accuracy?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What's up with the cool startup names recently? First Palantir the fortune teller ball, now Helsing the vampire hunter? Fuck yeah, who doesn't invest in these? /s

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Who's calling for that boycott? Putin?

    Respect for the true pacifists out there, but investing in EU-based defense industry is hardly questionable by ordinary standards.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Europe used the specter of Russia to justify it's dive into militant fascism the last time too.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    False. Western Europe increased arms spending in response to German aggression. Germany increased arms spending... well.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Germany, famously not part of Europe.

    Germany increased arms spending… well.

    Well what? The specter of Russia was a huge part of how Germany justified it's fascism.

    Just like now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    False.

    Germany built up it's army in preparation for attacking the rest of Europe. Adults usually know this. Sorry if I have misjudged your age.

    Germany and Soviet Russia were allies and cooperated in the attack on Poland. This only fell apart when Hitler betrayed Stalin by invading the Soviet Union.

    It is said that in all his life, Stalin only ever trusted one person: Adolf Hitler. When German communists conscripted into the Wehrmacht defected in the night before the attack, to bring warning to the Soviet Union, Stalin had them shot. The last supply train carrying grain for Nazi Germany crossed the border less than 2 hours before the launch.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s a dog’s breakfast of anti-communist slander you’ve gobbled up, Mr. Adultman. This is the garbage they taught in West Germany? I guess that’s one of the consequences of Stalin stopping at Berlin.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It is said that in all his life, Stalin only ever trusted one person: Adolf Hitler.

    It must be so easy being a right winger: you can just make up any old bullshit off the top of your head and apparently people will believe you.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
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    Seeking profit above all else isn't human nature. Humans have lived and still live in societies that don't do this. The socioeconomic system that we find ourselves in currently in a large part of the world does put profit above all else. But this system is just one iteration of how we live. And even it has changed over time where it has gotten worse over the last 50 years. It too would change and likely be replaced by another in the long run. Many believe that would be some form of socialism. Or we could go largely extinct before we abandon it. A better world is possible though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It is theorized by anthropologists that for most of humanity's existence (almost 200,000 years), humans operated on gift economies, without keeping any ledgers or IOUs, and also not bartering.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

    Humanity mostly beat out (kind of, not really, humans mated/bred with neanderthals) neanderthals as a species in evolution because humans cooperated with each other, whereas neanderthals were more individualistic (also not a universal truth).

    Greed and profit seeking are a direct result of forming massive civilizations with defined leaders and the possibility to gain power over other people. There are ideas for new economic systems that will eliminate this hierarchal structure, namely anarchism and some other socialist idiologies like forcing all corporations to be worker-owned coops (not all of them).

    Here's a playlist that's a good introduction to anarchism: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8V0LbSKRwxqBt2Odrl_Yp_SlEVrv-w9G

    And here is an intro to a worker coop focused economic system and modern Marxism (the non-authoritarian type): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Great idea! You first, I'll totally be right behind

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Totally agree. Just have someone let me know when you've done it. Maybe we could set up a chain or something. You start, have someone that knows notify me, and then I notify the next person.

    Now go on and start the change you want to see 🌠

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Fuck both y’all, I don’t want to go extinct and it’s fucked up to try and get someone to die. Go touch grass both of you. The planet is going to be fine, it’s a giant rock in the middle of space, life will continue regardless of how bad we fuck it up, life exists in sulfuric lakes for fucks sake. Humans are cool as fuck, we turned rocks and metals into magical devices we can use to be edgelord douchebags on the internet.

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