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I was giving Enterprise another chance, and even Archer was starting to grow on me in season 2 (beige.party)

submitted 10 months ago by LoganFive@beige.party to c/startrek@startrek.website

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I was giving Enterprise another chance, and even Archer was starting to grow on me in season 2. Then season 3 happened and he became a war criminal. #StarTrek #Enterprise @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social

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[–] Steve@communick.news 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm not sure what the problem is.
Does it make Archer a bad character, or Enterprise a bad show, when he breaks bad for understandable reasons?

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[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

I think the character decisions were motivated, intentionally difficult to wrestle with and especially relevant for the time it was made. I think what makes the show unforgivable for it however, is the complete lack of consequences for those transgressions.

And before someone brings up DS9 and In the Pale Moonlight, I would point out that that entire episode was doing the work of questioning and condemning decisions just like this. It's what ENT was missing.

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[–] Steve@communick.news 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You're still judgeing the quality of the story by your morality.
It's common for terrible acts to go unpunished. There are lots of movies and shows where the bad guy wins. Many where you can't even tell who the bad guy is. But they're still good stories.

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[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

It’s common for terrible acts to go unpunished. There are lots of movies and shows where the bad guy wins. Many where you can’t even tell who the bad guy is. But they’re still good stories.

That's kind of my point though, the show failed to make any statement about it, including this one. In fact, what you say here would have been an exceptional statement to make, especially considering the post-9/11 backdrop of this season's arc. Instead they were just like, "ANYWAY, time for some timetravel shenanigans" or whatever the next season was doing, I don't recall. That absence of comment is the failure the show makes is what I'm really saying.

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

i'm so glad people like you arent the one writing shows

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Enterprises season three is like the next generation season 1 it's okay to skip

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[–] hallettj@leminal.space 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

I just rewatched TNG season 1, and I found it much more fun than I remembered! (Excluding Code of Honor ofc.) Super goofy, super Wesley-heavy. But fun!

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[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

I'm actually making my way thru TNG for the first time, and i gotta say that i found it kinda surprising how horny the first season was. But then i remember it came out in like '87 and it makes more sense.

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[–] Anomnomnomaly@beige.party 7 points 10 months ago (9 children)

@LoganFive @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social And yet... still better than Voyager.and yes... I am prepared to die on that hill.

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[–] farah@beige.party -2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

@Anomnomnomaly @LoganFive @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social SirI mean voyager went downhill after certain crew member joined the ship; but still

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[–] Steve@communick.news 14 points 10 months ago

You can see how that seems sexist, right?
Especially when 7 and The Doctor are debatably tied, for most interesting character on the show.

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[+] eryops@dice.camp 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

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[–] farah@beige.party 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

@eryops @Anomnomnomaly @LoganFive @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social lol no

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[–] farah@beige.party 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

@eryops @Anomnomnomaly @LoganFive @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social Neelix was an a-hole. Every ship crew needed an a-holeBesides Tuvix was one of my favorite episodes

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[–] LoganFive@beige.party [S] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@farah @eryops @Anomnomnomaly @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social 7 of 9 saved the show. I will take no other questions.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Seriously. Jeri Ryan made that a masterclass. She was brought on as eye candy, but she decided, "fuck that, I'm going to knock this out of the park."

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[–] farah@beige.party -3 points 10 months ago

@LoganFive @eryops @Anomnomnomaly @startrek@startrek.website @startrek@lemmy.ml @StarTrek@mastodon.social Boys

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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I'm with you, I hated neelix too, but he was there from the beginning.

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[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 point 10 months ago

It was a response to 9/11.

[–] SurfinBird@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago

Faulty memory from way back in the first run here, but… Archer suddenly drove some ratings with the sexy hard captain act. Writers may have taken it a little too far in Season 3.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh look, it's what ruined Şişko for me.

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[–] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

He can live with that.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

that's what makes it so bad.

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