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[–] 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok. So now both Apple and Microsoft are distributors of the Linux kernel. What a timeline.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cool. Podman Desktop should be easier after this. Presumably, it’s still a Linux VM driven by something written by Apple instead of qemu.

    No macOS containers though. Being able to spin up macOS containers would have been nice for builds and isolating things like pkgsrc.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If containers are part of your work then you wouldn't buy a 8GB RAM unupgradable device anyway.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're doing it wrong. I want to run a macOS container on Linux

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When all you hire are web devs everything becomes a docker

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I wonder if they’re going to allow GPU access from inside the VMs.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Apple being Apple, the answer is probably yes. But realistically there's going to be some stupid hurdle in the way and because they make it a PITA nobody's really going to do it.

    Which really sucks because the massive GPU and "unified memory" is incredible when they work in conjunction.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Like, you can use the GPU on Linux…with Metal

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    virtio-gpu with Vulkan pass through for the VM with a Vulkan to Metal translator in host user space. There are various talks about this including at KVM forum: https://kvm-forum.qemu.org/2024/The_many_faces_of_virtio-gpu_F4XtKDi.pdf

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is Apple’s tech going to be using KVM machinery then, or are you just saying that it’s possible in general?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No the Apple hypervisor is called hvf, but projects like rust-vmm and QEMU can control and service guests run on that hypervisor. No KVM required.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh that’s cool! I thought virtio and such were KVM-specific things. I have never been super clear on the relationship between QEMU and the hypervisor itself, like where one ends and the other begins.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    VirtIO was originally developed as a device para-virtualization as part of KVM but it is now an OASIS standard: https://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.3/virtio-v1.3.html which a number of hypervisors/VMM's support.

    The line between what a hypervisor (like KVM) does and what is delegated to a Virtual Machine Monitor - VMM (like QEMU) is fairly blurry. There is always an additional cost to leaving the hypervisor to the VMM so it tends to be for configuration and lifetime management. However VirtIO is fairly well designed so the bulk of VirtIO data transactions can be processed by a dedicated thread which just gets nudged by the kernel when it needs to do stuff leaving the VM cores to just continue running.

    I should add HVF tends to delegate most things to the VMM rather than deal with things in the hypervisor. It makes for a simpler hypervisor interface although not quite as performance tuned as KVM can be for big servers.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Mac and Linux feel like cousins than ultra far apart at times.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you run amd64 containers?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So I guess now you can run some games.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Embrace <-- You are here

    Extend

    Extinguish

    Fuck Apple

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Proud of you!

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago

    Container and Ai ! Now you get the sparkle junkie virus, guys!

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