A local economics podcast gave me an interesting point, which was that post covid Australia had one of the better unemployment rates, and it 100% came down to government funding jobs in the care sector. Now I do understand some of those aged/disability care programs got ripped off (like NDIS), but the guests claimed that countries relying on private sector jobs to bounce back basically have worse numbers. Food for thought in the role of government intervention in markets
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In the 1970s, when the NZ Prime Minister Robert Muldoon was asked about the high numbers of New Zealanders leaving for Australia he replied:
"It raises the IQ of both countries".
Just brilliant!
That’s what happens when morons vote in fascists.
also the HCOL in Nz apparently.
It's almost entirely the cost of living VS income, very little to do with politics.
I don't know how to describe how stupid leaving NZ for Australia because of politics would be.
I don’t know how to describe how stupid leaving NZ for Australia because of politics would be.
Uhh. NZ has a right wing government that is attacking trans people and Maori.
Australia is run by a center party, that on the whole is making social strides for the positive.
For now, sure. They change PMs like they change underwear over there.
And they treat their indigenous people very poorly.
We don’t vote for PMs we vote for parties. And they change as frequently as in NZ.
And my state recently signed an important treaty, meanwhile NZ is trying to alter its treaties and reneg on obligations.
One is actively working to improve the lives of their indigenous, the other is trying to make it worse.
And the current government are trying to do something about that
NZ had always rested on its laurels about being a good society
That is changing. Too many stupid, hateful cunts were happy to vote for Luxon
I have whanau who voted for him, and I would be happy to never see them ever again
Seems like NZ had a Obama reaction. Elect a competant woman who makes things better, you get a backlash and Elect a fascist.
God humanity doesn't learn.
Are the social strides in the room with us now?
Albanese only looks passable because he’s standing next to the likes of abbot, Morrison and Turnbull
Are you implying that the economy is not a political issue? Who do you think makes the economic policy in NZ?
Here are some raw official statistics: https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-migration-july-2025/
After having a look at the graphs: The data looks pretty normal and is within the previously observed boundaries.
On a side note:
- +1 for the goverment website, other countries could learn from that
- Also nice to have non US news here for once
there is no cause for alarm, noting that global workforce flows continue to bring skilled migrants into the country
Hey USA, this is the time. Not next year, right. This. Minute.
Something to remember when reading these headlines, is that Australia is a ridiculously wealthy country, in large part due to mineral wealth, and anyone in NZ can just go there and get a job.
It has almost nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with making more money.
If that's the case why is it record numbers now?
Australia has had mineral wealth for a very long time, that's nothing new.
New Zealand has had a constant outflow of people to other countries that ebbs and flows for at least 40 years. I left during a previous surge. Home prices are too high, wages are too low, and better opportunities can be found abroad. When other economies start slowing down, a lot of people return to NZ.
That's fair, but that's due to politics.
Wealth and quality of life are hugely dependent upon the politics of a place.
Which form of politics is correct is a debate that has existed since forever, but there's no getting away from the fact that politics determines wealth, quality of life, and ultimately whether people wish to immigrate, emigrate, or stay put.
Well, that and the weather 😝
It really isn't politics. New Zealand is very isolated from other countries, so the price of imported goods are high. It is also a small nation that is primarily farms, so there isn't much room for development and home prices are high. It has a small steel industry but otherwise there isn't a lot of manufacturing unless it is related to dairy.
Because the NZ economy is particularly bad right now, and our housing market is effed.
Many Kiwis came home from other countries during COVID and this bump in people leaving is partly just returning to normal.
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