For the past several years, America has been using its young people as lab rats in a sweeping, if not exactly thought-out, education experiment. Schools across the country have been lowering standards and removing penalties for failure. The results are coming into focus.

Five years ago, about 30 incoming freshmen at UC San Diego arrived with math skills below high-school level. Now, according to a recent report from UC San Diego faculty and administrators, that number is more than 900—and most of those students don’t fully meet middle-school math standards. Many students struggle with fractions and simple algebra problems. Last year, the university, which admits fewer than 30 percent of undergraduate applicants, launched a remedial-math course that focuses entirely on concepts taught in elementary and middle school. (According to the report, more than 60 percent of students who took the previous version of the course couldn’t divide a fraction by two.) One of the course’s tutors noted that students faced more issues with “logical thinking” than with math facts per se. They didn’t know how to begin solving word problems.

The university’s problems are extreme, but they are not unique. Over the past five years, all of the other University of California campuses, including UC Berkeley and UCLA, have seen the number of first-years who are unprepared for precalculus double or triple. George Mason University, in Virginia, revamped its remedial-math summer program in 2023 after students began arriving at their calculus course unable to do algebra, the math-department chair, Maria Emelianenko, told me.

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[–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Red flag citing No Child Left Behind as a positive policy decision. Not saying that the problem isn’t real, but that statement combined with the history of moral panics around education make me somewhat suspicious of the article’s purpose.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Yeah. Students entering college in the last 5 years were in elementary during the disaster of NCLB. Common core didn't recover us from that disaster entirely either. There are problems in education that need fixing. Sensationalist journalist Rose Horowitch is not going to be guiding us toward a solution.

    Overall, this article seems to either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresent a lot. Like they misrepresent/misunderstand what "no zeros" policies are. They don't address the reasons so many schools stopped requiring SAT scores. Etc

    I didn't dive too deep into the report in question.

    I definitely agree on being suspicious of the motives behind the article.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago
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    [–] 13 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Change the way math is taught.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Don't teach math, teach engineering.

    99% of math teachers have no idea of the applications of what they are teaching. Solve for X is not the way to apply math.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As an engineer I greatly disagree. Sure in your engineering classes you get a much more “real” understanding what the math operations do, however without the foundational math skills you can’t do the engineering derivations. Kinda of a chicken and egg situation.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    I think you're misunderstanding what this person meant.

    They're not talking about teaching high level engineering.

    They're talking about teaching math in a way that isn't abstract.

    Introducing mathematical concepts that can be used to solve specific challenges.

    Anchor it in something that makes sense.

    Find the slope of this line for no reason at all because I'm the teacher and fuck you, versus build something out of popsicle sticks that will make this ball roll into the hole. The slope is too steep the ball goes too fast and misses the hole. It's not steep enough and the ball stops.

    Or whatever. It doesn't need be university level engineering to be engineering.

    I hated math as a child. I tried to upgrade my high school math as an adult and I could finally articulate why I couldn't do math. The teacher isn't there to answer questions. They're not there to engage with the subject matter. Math teachers do not teach math.

    They read some shit out of a book and you teach yourself math. This is fine if you're innately interested in the subject matter and fine with how impractical and abstract math is, but for the vast majority of people they lack the interest in the subject matter that would drive someone to do well in it, the ability to intuitively grasp the concepts let alone apply them, and they clock very quickly how fucking pointless the entire exercise is.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Uhg, seriously. I hated math in school. The pointless repetition. I loved those word problems though, 2 trains traveling at this speed etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Many schools have changed it. You know how I know? Because other parents won’t shut the fuck up about how math classes are wrong nowadays.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I wish they taught math in a more proof oriented way. The most fun I had in a math class was geometric proofs like "show these 2 angles are equivalent without measuring". To me real math is about making the algorithms and not just memorizing how to compute them.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Well you certainly don't change the way that you teach math. No, that would be insane.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Send them back to highschool on the highschool's dime. Stop letting them pass students who aren't qualified just to make the parents happy.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    California literally banned algebra from being taught in college. It’s not offered anywhere it the state. College math professors all know it’s a losing policy. Older students are totally screwed if they want to go into stem.

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