Jack Dorsey backs diVine, a Vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive of 6-second, looping videos.

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[–] 51 points 1 year ago* (58 children)

However, unlike on traditional social media, where AI content is often haphazardly labeled, diVine will flag suspected generative AI content and prevent it from being posted.

Although I really enjoyed and kinda miss Vine, I think it's important to realize Vine was also a product of its time.
The internet culture changed a lot since Vine shutdown. Bringing Vine back won't bring that old culture back, and the 6-second limit is more likely to alienate new users used to the modern short-video platforms than anything.

I will give them props for trying to fight the seemingly unstoppable slop-ification of the internet, but ultimately it believe it would be best to leave Vine and the great memories we had with it on the past.

......Also, negative interest with interacting with Nostr and crypto powered social media 🤢

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The 6 second time limit and forced 3 time loop was really annoying. Short videos, sure. But maybe like average song length short. 3 minutes.

    Then again, those quirks are what made some pretty memorable Vines 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    ……Also, negative interest with interacting with Nostr and crypto powered social media 🤢

    You're saying you hate piefed for actually using encryption for users to log into specific accounts before posting instead of just being anon posts like 4chan?

    And you hate 4chan for using https instead of being like old BBS forums?

    Or is it just nostr using decentralized logins that takes the cryptography too far for you?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (49 children)

    Plus, because it’s built on Nostr, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey, and is open source, developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts, relays, and media servers.

    Sounds great in paper, in reality it amounts to little more than Twitter with Lightning (Bitcoin) duct-taped to the side

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I don't think that's entirely fair; the Nostr protocol has a modular design philosophy, with most components being optional addons, including the Bitcoin payments stuff. It's genuinely decentralized and explicitly made to be easy to not use any baggage you don't like.

    It's unclear from the article if the use of the protocol will also mean overlap with the content and community of Nostr, which is understandable to criticize, but the protocol itself is just another take on decentralized social media that does things differently than activitypub.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (46 children)

    What makes Nostr like Bitcoin?

    Actually, what makes nostr like Twitter? I'll grant that the Bitcoin aspect is indeed merely tacked on the side of an otherwise unrelated protocol.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (45 children)

    The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Today, basically nobody uses it except for cryptocurrency shills. (I don't say that as merely an insult. The people on it constantly post about cryptocurrency or use cryptocurrency-specific in-jokes.)

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (44 children)

    The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it.

    No it wasn't...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    instead of asking obviously leading questions, why not tell people what you know?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    What's wrong with using rhetorical questions as a response when people talk shit without expanding on it?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    depends on the thing you're asking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    The example we were discussing

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children)

    What are you talking about?

    I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency)

    I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month

    But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works

    Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    That wasn't a question...

    If people are going to make wild assertions, I'm going to question them about them.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    your previous two replies were. and by "just asking questions" about things you obviously know more about, you're not adding to the conversation.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim.

    There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    false equivalency. they made a plausible claim.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from.

    really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from.

    Wow, what a good faith breakdown!

    No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network.

    But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/

    In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else.

    Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    Can you provide any counterevidence to the claims?

    To quote them: "Nostr was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners."

    The "optional" Bitcoin payment system is baked into the biggest Nostr clients.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    The claim was:

    The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it.

    Not:

    The protocol attracted attention primarily from Bitcoiners who built tools around it to support payments

    The new, watered-down framing of your claim sorta just makes me think: "Okay? And?"

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own.

    Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you've got a lot of explaining to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism.

    OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency.

    Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism.

    Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim.

    Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I provided proof. With links.

    Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence?

    Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I provided proof. With links.

    I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I provided proof. With links.

    Sigh, I guess you do want to play games.

    Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that?

    Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence?

    Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that...

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it?

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t.

    Of course it's not a coincidence.

    Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But why? 6 second video slop is already everywhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    I hope he won't fight the removal of the 6-second limit after beta testing is over. That should just be a way to save storage space and bandwidth during the beta test. Nostr is decentralized, so there should be nothing stopping someone from mirroring the app with no 6-second limit in their version, if it actually gets developed into a stable service. Or this jack-backed version could just remove the 6-second limit

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    He's so desperate to be relevant. This will flop so hard.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Neat? But not worth my time

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Nah, vine sucked.

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    [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You bet your sassy pants im funding it 🥰

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