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I think Louis Rossmann's heart is in the right place, his work for right for repair is genuine, his disdain for New York's intolerable bureaucracy is completely understandable and justified, but it is leading him in bad directions and has been ever since he linked up with FUTO. Never trust a billionaire and never let them delude you into thinking they care about you or anyone. He is being used for his reputation and his audience and when they are done consuming those things for the billionaire's cause's benefit he will be left with neither one and the billionaire will move on without slowing down or shedding a tear.
He's always been more than a little petite bourgeoisie. Among all his spats with the city of New York, I'm sure you can find something where he was at fault, but we generally only get his side of things. Still, I think he's been mostly a good advocate. FUTO is not the right place to do that.
While I can't say I agree with everything Rossmann, the guy seems very genuine, regardless of where I think he may be wrong or right. Also, I've seen him pedal back and retract plenty of times when he is shown (with evidence) that he was wrong.
Can you name one other personality with a large following that comes even close to Louis Rossmann in bringing stuff to light and fighting back against enshittification?
As for Futo, yeah, I'm pretty sure that billionaire that owns it is just using Rossmann for his following. But who knows, maybe Rossmann is also taking advantage of him to advance what we all want to see as well.
Can you name one other personality with a large following that comes even close to Louis Rossmann in bringing stuff to light and fighting back against enshittification?
Well, there's Corey Doctorow, of course. He literally wrote the book on Enshittification.
There are definitely more "behind the scenes" folks doing a lot for that particular cause who don't so much have a following of anywhere near the same size, but nonetheless do fight enshittification in big ways. Bradley Kuhn comes to mind.
I know about Corey Doctorow and his coining of the term and his book. I appreciate there are people like him, they do make a difference. I've never heard of Bradley Kuhn, thanks for pointing him out. I'll look him up.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People like these are doing what they can to further knowledge about how shit is extremely wrong and needs to change.
Louis Rossmann uses the following he has built up over the years to carry the word on the extreme enshittification we live in, and pushes for changes that will be beneficial for us at the legislative level as much as at the operating level.
I do believe that Futo and it's owner are just trying to benefit from him, but that does not remove the fact that Rossmann has also taken advantage of Futo to improve our situation as much as he can without making a penny out of it for himself.
Honor where honor's due, that's my thing.
Are they sitting through hours of legislature meetings just to have a 60 sec chance to speak? Are they meeting with legislators and city councils to discuss causes they care about? Are they making YouTube content going over lengthy legal documents to show people the problem?
Or are they mostly writing books and speaking at paid conferences?
IDK about you, but the former sounds a lot less bougie than the latter.
What else do you expect him to do that will make an ACTUAL change? You HAVE to make some concessions when collaborating with large entities, and I think we are lucky that Louis can stay true to all of his beliefs with a large backing like FUTO, even if they aren't perfect.
I feel like I've seen stories like this before, how a popular YouTuber, or advocate isn't "perfect". People in the comments provide a "perfect" alternative, they are usually super niche and super underground. Certainly someone that hasn't yet had the chance to come under the same amount of scrutiny.
We need to be a little compromising to avoid cannibalizing our movement to achieve "purity" of our ideals, while corps continue to take ground. My two cents. Stop the bleeding first, before you worry about scars.
Exactly!
FUTO is a force for good IMO, even though I disagree with their approach. I use:
- Grayjay - way nicer than NewPipe and works with a bunch of services
- FUTO Keyboard - best keyboard alternative for swipe typing IMO
- Polycentric - I've posted a bit through Grayjay and want it to catch on
I wish their software was FOSS, but at least it's source available and I think they fixed it to allow noncommercial redistribution of modifications. It's not perfect, but it's a force for a good.
I'm not a fan of that argument. Basically, that article goes: I don't like their definition of open source (fair) and it's weird that the founder platforms a far right person (also fair), so you shouldn't trust FUTO (weird conclusion).
I don't like how we find some reason to discredit an org who does otherwise good things. Look at the reaction to Framework donating to projects run by unsavory prior people. None of the discussion is about the technical merits of the projects, but the association with people who have certain political ideas.
You're not going to find the perfect mix of popular, ethical, and the "right" political ideology. As long as a project can be audited and forked, that's good enough for me. Forking seems possible with FUTO projects, with the weird caveat that payment code can't be removed. It's not perfect, but at least their products are privacy respecting and largely drop in replacements for non-privacy respecting first party apps.
Could FUTO be better? Yeah, absolutely. Is the founder's relationship with a far right activist concerning? Again, yes. Do either of those stop me from enjoying their software? No, I believe in enough of their mission that I think supporting them sends the right message: software source should be available and devs should be paid. The rest of the nonsense doesn't really impact that.
I feel the same about Framework. Could they do a better job selecting projects to donate to? Yes. Does that change the fact that their hardware is easily repairable in a market dominated by unrepairable slop? No.
At the end of the day, I have no problem supporting projects that align 90% with my priorities, even if the last 10% is lightyears away.
The problem isn’t that FUTO platforms an out and proud self proclaimed fascist in a vacuum.
The problem is the close association FUTO has with an out and proud self-proclaimed fascist while selling itself with a libertarian mission statement. Fascism and libertarianism are fundamentally incompatible ideologies on the far opposite ends of the spectrum. The idea that this contradiction doesn’t hurt the reputability of the organization is absurd.
If you think I’m worried about the ethical purity of the founders of an investment firm, you are mistaken.
Fascism and libertarianism are fundamentally incompatible ideologies on the far opposite ends of the spectrum.
Thank you! So many I talk to seem to argue that they're related.
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There is a libertarian -> fascist pipeline, but it's mostly because both are fringe and fascists seem to start of thinking they're merely fringe, but then quickly realize their true colors when they disagree so much with libertarians. This mostly seems to be from anarcho-capitalists who believe their socially conservative views should be enforced, moving them up the authoritarian spectrum.
Case in point, Trump was booed at the Libertarian Party convention, Penn Jillette was outspoken against Trump on Bill Maher in the first term, and "libertarian" conservatives Rand Paul and Thomas Massie criticizing Trump.
The idea that this contradiction doesn’t hurt the reputability of the organization is absurd.
Isn't part of their mission that the reputation shouldn't matter?
FUTO is all about disrupting centralization. You can dislike FUTO but like the work they do and the projects they support. The goal isn't to make good versions of existing apps, but to make credible alternatives to existing apps, thus helping break the monopoly.
Isn't part of their mission that the reputation shouldn't matter?
Not at all, at least when it comes to their organization and its investments. Their donations to OSS are one thing, but FUTO controls the name and brand of their direct investments like GrayJay and Immich. This makes FUTO a brand and separating a brand from its reputation isn’t something that can be done. FUTO is a company and companies aren’t your friends. They can promise whatever they want, but they are accountable to what they do.
They themselves have put a huge emphasis on their reputation in terms of their OSS donations as well, often at the expense of transparency and the sovereignty of the projects they’re “supporting”, which is actually what the original post we’re commenting on is about. They were caught slipping donations to individual maintainers of projects and not the projects themselves in order to avoid project rules about institutional donors, and then they plastered the name and logo of these projects on their website without permission. They did this to improve their reputation and instill a sense of trust in the community. Doing so in such a shady, under the table way actively undermines trust.
FUTO is an investment company like any other, only with a mission statement of “Don’t worry, we’re one of the good ones, primarily due to INSERT BELIEFS”. Then they act in a way in flagrant contradiction of those beliefs.
Anybody who feels uneasy over this behavior is 100% justified. Anyone’s who’s lived through Apple’s “Monopoly busting underdog” or Google’s “free and open internet for all, don’t be evil” eras doubly so.
Anybody who feels uneasy over this behavior is 100% justified. Anyone’s who’s lived through Apple’s “Monopoly busting underdog” or Google’s “free and open internet for all, don’t be evil” eras doubly so.
That's fair.
I guess my point is that they're easily replaceable. Immich is easy to fork, Grayjay is simply a client for existing services, etc. Nothing they have built or supported really locks you in, and they've been explicit about not wanting to have a server component.
So to me, the impact of FUTO being or becoming evil is incredibly low, unlike Apple or Google, who have a much higher ability to lock in users. The whole mission is about removing people from those types of ecosystems into one where users can more easily switch to alternatives. The software should be preferred on its own merits, not the merits of the ecosystem it's part of.
So I guess that's why I'm more comfortable giving FUTO a pass: I can easily change my position tomorrow if they "go evil."
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