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No investigation allowed. (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 33 points 1 year ago (9 children)

In which episode do they address the IOF letting Oct7 happen on purpose? Giving them a "moral" reason to kickstart a barbaric campaign in Gaza.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They didn't just let it happen, what the picture shows is all the cars Israel says Hamas burned, but Hamas does not have the means to inflict that damage, they simply do not have weapons capable of doing that. Israel mowed down their own people with apache helicopters to blame Hamas and justify the genocide.

    They've been looking for an answer to the Palestinian question for 75 years, and this was just what they needed.

    The thing is, none of this is new, we've had the evidence (and testimony) that they killed their own people since day one, not to mention the genocidal intent expressed nonstop and the acting on it. No one has the credibility to say they didn't know, no one can say they didn't know the extent of the genocide, no less anyone in a position of power. Just pure evil, and everyone who preached at us about human rights is still to this day celebrating and congratulating Israeli leaders. Nazis, the lot of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Israel mowed down their own people with apache helicopters

    I'm all for shitting on Israel but what event is this referring to? All I could find were debunked stories about the IDF somehow shooting Israelis on October 7th without any Israelis noticing

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You mean all Google gave you as a first result is an Israeli funded propaganda article saying it's all debunked?

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-admits-immense-amount-friendly-fire-7-october

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

    https://www.twz.com/air/israeli-ah-64-apache-commanders-describe-brutal-reality-of-october-7-missions

    There's plenty more, if you want to dig deeper.

    Make some contextual analysis here. Hannibal directive + Apaches flying for hours dumping their ammo and reloading, hundreds of cars destroyed by advanced weapons Hamas does not have access to, and Israel announcing 1,500 victims before revising it down several times as they started sorting through everyone they killed and found Hamas fighters amongst them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Thanks, that's a different wording than I was using. I thought you were implying something different and I was mostly seeing substack blogs.

    I have been pro-palestine since before all this, for what it's worth.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a common IOF practice known as the Hannibal Directive.

    They don't have to avoid "any Israelis noticing" when their impunity is the rule rather than the exception.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think this certainly begs the question of exactly how narcissistic must one be to imagine that they could commit genocide while still having the moral high ground...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I don't think they're necessarily trying to have enough moral high ground to justify a genocide, just vaguely enough factual events that they can convince people there was a legitimate reason to engage in a legitimate war, and that there's a worldwide antisemitic campaign to pretend it's not a legitimate war, and that there are enough antisemites that they've managed to capture the whole UN etc.. Whether or not that's the goal, it's a pretty widely-held belief worldwide that the Irsaeli government's obvious lies are more plausible than factual claims about Palestinian civilians dying, and everyone accusing Israel of genocide is a lying antisemite is the easiest way to reconcile the conflicting information without landing on the country whose ministers are tweeting genocidal intent and that blocks independent journalists accessing Gaza is probably doing a genocide.

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What are we looking at, here? Without any context at all, I see a picture of a bunch of burned out cars.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Context, these are cars that contained both Palestinian and Israeli people, that were destroyed by Israel due to the Hannibal Directive.

    the IDF fired on Israeli civilian hostages while they were being driven by Hamas militants into Gaza

    The IDF confirmed this to be true, stating

    it would not be morally sound to investigate these incidents [due to the complexity of the situation]

    TLDR: Israel felt it better to kill their own citizens than to let them be taken hostage.

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