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[–] 116 points 1 year ago (9 children)

This is very common in Asia. The first few (not) dates they bring friends and you can too. Eventually, she gives an indication that she wants to do something alone with you and that’s when the real dates begin.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    You make a good point, but considering that the conversation is in English I don't think you'd be too far out of the pale to assume that this is not in Asia, and in most English-speaking countries it's not common to go on group dates before going on individual dates.

    It does happen, and quite a bit, but not to the point where it's common, I would say it's at the very most uncommon.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Arranged marriage is also common in Asia

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  • [–] 171 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    I get it, I absolutely respect someone wanting to be safe, but i think it would also absolutely ruin the date for me. I just can't really interact the same way in a group as I do one on one. Either that, or I'd end upv mirroring both of them simultaneously and it would end up in a throuple.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    I respect it, but i don't get it, and it would be a complete deal breaker for me. What do you think a person on a date in a public place is gonna do to you?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    right, this is basically saying "i don't trust you not to spike my drink, take me to a second location, and rape me"

    and maybe you shouldn't be online dating at all if that's where you start out from

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    But even then, no one needs to ask you out on a date to do that. Any time you go out in public by yourself that could happen just as easily. If you're that unreasonably fearful then i don't want to spend time with you

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Why should they trust some random dude they met on a dating app?

    You act like that's some crazy fear, but it happens all the fucking time.

    If you're that dismissive of other people's concerns, maybe you shouldn't be online dating at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why should they trust some random dude they met on a dating app?

    no one says they have to, but they probably shouldn't, i dunno, go out on a date with them if they can't.

    You act like that's some crazy fear, but it happens all the fucking time.

    call it a crazy thought, but if i were premeditating sexual assault, i probably wouldn't choose someone who has my name, photos, phone number, and a history of correspondence to show motive. lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you all have a different idea of what a date is than me or something? The point is to get to know someone you don't know yet. I guess if you were communicating for weeks beforehand this might seem weird, but that's making some big assumptions. You're acting like this woman has requested her friend accompany her for every moment of their ongoing relationship. It's wild to me to get so insecure about someone not fully trusting you this first time you meet. Trust is built over time, and it's not a slight against you if someone wants to protect themselves.

    call it a crazy thought, but if i were premeditating sexual assault, i probably wouldn't choose someone who has my name, photos, phone number, and a history of correspondence to show motive. lol

    And yet, a casual examination of history shows that it happens all the time. And more often than not, charges never get brought up.

    Now certainly the perceived frequency is far higher than the actual likelihood, but I don't blame anyone for not wanting to roll those dice.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Do you all have a different idea of what a date is than me or something? The point is to get to know someone you don't know yet.

    it's 2025 and the typical use case when you meet someone on an app is to chat online, maybe do some video calls for a week+ to establish rapport and vet one another. by the time you meet up you should have some amount of chemistry and a feel for each other's values.

    if you don't, the hinged thing to do is to not go out until you do. not to bring a third wheel lol.

    but I don't blame anyone for not wanting to roll those dice.

    apt metaphor considering it's a stupid fucking game to play. surely you can't blame anyone for choosing not to play it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Why should he trust her?

    You're coming from a place of internalized misandry and fear.

    That doesn't make a healthy relationship.

    Why even date men if you think they're all rapists?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Tbf you don't have to think all men are rapists to be careful, just that at least one is, and that you dont necessarily know how to spot one.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    A person who chooses to take a minority of experiences and lets it influence all other experiences has internal work to do.

    The moment you try to make that someone elses problem, then you aren't engaging with your biases, and that's not a sign of a healthy and mature person, that's not the type of person a lot of people want relationships with.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    He shouldn't, and the fact that that idea doesn't even cross most men's minds is an enormous privilege.

    I don't know about you, but I generally take a little time getting to know someone before I decide to trust them. Why on earth would you not?

    What you don't seem to consider is the risk involved. When the consequence of misplaced trust is potentially rape or death, a small amount of caution is plainly warranted.

    Nobody is out here assuming all men are rapists, that question is as irrelevant as it is idiotic. The point is that any man could be a rapist, and those odds sure as hell aren't small enough to just roll the dice on some rando you've never met.

    It's easier for us (I'm assuming you're male too). I don't really have to care. The worst consequence we can reasonably expect is what? A too attached girl who won't leave you alone? When was the last time you went on a date with someone who could physically restrain you? It's not the fucking same, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    There is no risk involved with going to a public place for a date.

    At least no reasonable risk.

    If you develop a phobia of men that is so bad that it prevents you from interacting with men, then that is YOU problem and you need to work that out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sorry, but you're coming from a place of ignorance here, but I do get it. I used to feel that way, but I've known too many women in my life who've experienced assaults in public places to pretend it's not a real issue. I've been roofied in public myself (wrong target, presumably) and have the privilege of only really having to worry about some scrapes and bruises. But the holes in my memory and understanding that that night could have easily gone far, far worse if I had been someone's target is something that will always stay with me.

    If you develop a phobia of men that is so bad that it prevents you from interacting with men, then that is YOU problem and you need to work that out.

    This is stupid bullshit. Nobody has suggested anything like this and bad faith nonsense wastes everyone's time. Grow up. It's obvious you're taking this woman's caution as some kind of personal slight. It's not, and you should really examine where those feelings are coming from.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    What do you think a man is going to do to you in a public place that makes you so afraid you can't face him by yourself?

    You can't seriouy say "men are unpredictable and dangerous so I need to vet them before we can interact normally" and pretend that isn't prejudice.

    Replace "men" with "black people" if that helps you self reflect.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am a man and I've been roofied in public. It happens far more frequently than you would like to believe.

    I cannot blame any woman who doesn't want to take that risk with a stranger.

    You seem to think I'm targeting men here, but that's foolish. People are unpredictable, and anyone has the capacity to be dangerous. The only reason to respond to mild caution with such excessive hostility is your own insecurity. Nobody is calling you a rapist here man, it's not about you, it's just a precaution.

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  • [+] -56 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    throuple

    Threesome. Corrected for you.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    throuple : threesome :: couple : hook-up

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Nope. Throuple is dating, threesome is a one-time thing. Like if my wife and I have a girlfriend, we would be a throuple. And if we all sleep together, it would be a threesome. But saying “throuple=threesome” is like saying “couple=sex” when the two describe fundamentally different things. One is the relationship between people, and the other is just a physical act.

    Nice condescending attitude though.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    It wouldn't bother me if somebody wanted to bring a friend on a date. However, I would communicate that it would change the dynamic into a "hangout" over a traditional "date" for me. The difference being that a date carries romantic intent and a hangout is for the sake of connecting with others without romantic expectations. Also, a hangout means everybody pays for themselves.

    This takes the pressure off by lowering the stakes since it's now just a casual hangout between peers. It also has the benefit of making the third not feel excluded as a third wheel but a welcome part of the group.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    There's a non insignificant amount of women dating only for free meals, and a lot of them expect men to pay for any number of friends. A lot of guys have opted for lower cost or zero cost first dates, like walks to screen for this.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Anyone afraid to go to an agreed meeting in a public place NEEDING a friend along is beyond weird

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wtf. No. They are just scared.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think the implied weirdness is that, if you're scared, why even agree to the date in the first place?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I do not know if you noticed, but people want to date. She probably want to go AND be safe.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well yeah, but bringing an extra for a dinner date is weird. I've brought extra people along to meet the person I'll be eating with and confirm my location. Having an extra person suddenly in the date dynamic kills the dynamic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then just say no and don't go in a date with her. If her safety is such a big inconvenience for you, it's not a good match.

    It's ONE date. They are just trying to make sure you are not a rapist. I'd say they are likely to leave as soon as things look like they are going smoothly. Next date she shouldn't be there. If she is invited again then don't go. If on a second date she is still not sure if you are dangerous but wants to go out anyway, something might be wrong

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay, let's take a step back. I never said it's an inconvenience, i just said it's weird. Please don't assume things about me just because we disagree about something.

    I even mentioned alternatives I've personally used to ensure my safety AND not change the date dynamic. Everyone should ensure their own safety, and if that's what it takes for some people then fine but lets not tack on assumptions to force a narrative.

    It's weird to have someone sit in on a dinner date to me. Full stop. Am i gonna trip about it? Probably not. You do you boo.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This happened to me, but we all went back to my apartment and played Smash Bros. I did not get laid and I have no regrets.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I had a girl bring a guy friend along on our first date without giving me a heads up for the same reason. I was like, ok that's a little weird but whatever. I'm certainly not going to give someone shit for doing something that makes them feel comfortable. Ended up chatting it up with the guy friend who turned out to be super cool.

    So me and the girl end up seriously dating after a while and she later tells me that she spent most of our first date trying to subtly get her friend to leave so that she could spend more time with me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol there's got to be a term that's the inverse of cockblocking. Maybe like cockenabling for something.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    Is it still normalized that the man should pay the date?

    What year is it? 1825?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    A lot of women consider it a deal breaker to this day

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    If I remember correctly (it's been over 16 years), my wife suggested separate checks the first time, and I told her I'd pay this time and she could get the next one if she wanted to go out again.

    I think I still ended up paying for the next one (or separate checks), but that wasn't a cultural norm thing, I just get uncomfortable with other people paying for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My current fiance said she almost didn't want to go on a second date with me because I wanted to go Dutch on our first date. She still tells me to this day that I'm lucky I was cute.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    Date pays for their stuff, you pay for your own. Basically, separate tabs.

    To be clear, I would have paid if she had asked me to at the time. When the bill came for the food, I asked if she wanted separate or together, but my phrasing made it sound like I wanted to split it and she said that was fine. Whoops.

    Don't worry, she's making up for lost time. I pay for almost everything when we go out now 😅

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If i invite someone out to dinner I pay. If someone invites me out to dinner I expect them to pay. However, I think in general in the US most men and women expect the man to pay.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If i invite someone out to dinner I pay. If someone invites me out to dinner I expect them to pay.

    expect the man to pay

    ...they're the same picture. Seriously, given the general dynamics of how straight dating actually ends up working most of the time IRL, these are basically equivalent statements, because the man is also generally expected to be the one to do the asking.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Agreed. Most of the time the man is expected to do the asking. From my personal, not reflective of the rest of society, experience...when dating if I asked someone out id plan the date and pay. It was usually second date when dating men, or once when I had to cancel on a first date I then asked the person out and arranged the first date.

    The only time I ever felt a bit grumpy about paying was when the other person couldn't decide between two dishes. I told them to order both, and I assumed theyd take their leftovers. They ate a tiny bit of each and didn't take any home. Thats just wasteful. There was no next date.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is an outdated expectation, although it could also be considered respectful on a date.

    I've heard that in restaurants in the USA you often give your credit card and they scan it and return it because they don't have portable terminals. I've also heard that it's often returned to the man regardless of name on card / who gave it. Both of these seem very outdated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Smart servers just put the check and the card between the people if it’s not obvious who’s paying. I’m a great test case for this because my spouse and I both happen to have first names that could belong to a man or a woman.
    It’s pretty much random which one of us pays because we pool our money anyway.

    Often they drop the bill in the little book and we stick the card in the end of it and put it back on the end of the table, they come by, run the card and then come back….

    you can see the fear in their eyes sometimes, like “oh shit. This could be either one of them… 50/50 chance I annoy the one who’s writing the tip”.

    We’ve both worked service industry so we don’t care at all and tip well either way but it’s pretty funny to see the realization sometimes.

    Oh and, if it’s two people on a date (not a boring old married couple like us eating dinner) and there’s only one bill… 9/10 it’s the guy paying.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    So much context missing to tell if the guy did good or not. He could be being a prick or just standing up for himself. In any case, this is definitely100% both fake but plus moreover besides also gay.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I had a girl ask if it was OK to bring a friend once, I said it was fine. She ended up coming alone anyway.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You showed a green flag by saying yes, so she probably felt safe enough.

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    Its not really a mind game IMO, if he had said no she might've still gone with a friend. It's not a test it's literally just wanting a clue re safety.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Have you considered fearing all men isn't a healthy way for an adult to live? And how is that level of prejudice shows through this action?

    Adults can go on a date in public by themselves. There are some men who will be hurt but still tolerant, and there will be some that find it offensive.

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