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KNBR (AM 680) Antennas, Redwood City, CA, 2024 (cdn.masto.host)
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KNBR (AM 680) Antennas, Redwood City, CA, 2024.All the pixels, none of the sports, news, or weather, at flickr.com/photos/mattblaze/54#photography

Two radio antenna masts in a field. The taller mast, on the right, is a guyed tower with a hexagonal structure at the top. The shorter mast on the left, toward the background, is freestanding.

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

@mattblaze love it. another view of SFBA without it looking like SFBA. you've got a knack for that

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze Well, they've got nice hats.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze I love DXing for stations. The twilight time before power is decreased is the best time, especially (as you say) in the winter.680 is interesting to me as 680 CJOB in Winnipeg has operated since 1957 and since 1978 has been at 50 kW. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/680_AM and related CJOB article have details.AM is seeing some protections for emergency use. See the bill about requiring it in cars: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_bro

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    [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (21 children)

    Rodenstock 50mm/4.0 HR Digaron-W lens (@ f/6.3), Phase One IQ4-150 digital back, Cambo 1250 camera (vertically shifted -23mm).This simple photo pushed the 50mm lens to the limits of its image circle with the large shift required to keep the tall antenna mast fully in the frame while maintaining its geometry. Hard vignetting of the upper corners was visible in the full sensor image, but fortunately the composition benefited from a narrower aspect ratio that cropped out the dark corners.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (20 children)

    KNBR is a 50KW "Class A" (formerly "clear channel") mediumwave (AM) rado station broadcasting on 680 KHz, serving the San Francisco Bay area (and, at night, most of the west coast of the US). Opened in 1922, It was originally known as KPO, (later KNBC, and still later KNBR), and soon became the flagship station for the National Broadcasting Company (NBC)'s new western radio network. It is currently owned by Cumulus Media and now broadcasts a sports format. It sits next to the former KGEI site.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (17 children)

    Mediumwave (AM) broadcast radio uses lower frequencies than other modern broadcasting and so requires much larger antennas (generally getting larger and larger as the frequency gets lower on the dial). This often entails highly customized antenna designs engineered for the particular site and station frequencies. For most radio stations (FM, TV, etc), the towers are there simply to get the relatively small antennas up high, but for AM stations like KNBR, the towers generally ARE the antennas.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (16 children)

    The taller tower (550 feet) at right is the main KNBR antenna, built in 1949. It employs an unusual "pseudo-Franklin" design; it's actually an array of two antennas stacked atop one another. The 400 foot lower section is insulated from the ground. The upper 150 foot section is insulated from the lower section. The large (50 foot) diameter "capacitance hat" at the top (reminiscent of the Parachute Jump at Coney Island) electrically lengthens the top section, saving 250 feet of additional height.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    @mattblaze Radio and Photography technical expertise and explanations in one thread - what's not to love!A quick google indicates that the wavelength of 680kHz is approximately 440m.I was half expecting the antenna lengths to be an even fraction of a wavelength, but came up with 5/18ths for the lower section and 5/54 for the upper section before the effect of the hat.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    @BernardSheppard Yeah, MW wave antennas are almost never an exact standard size that might be used at higher frequencies (like 1/4 or 5/8 wave), especially because stations sometimes change frequencies. So everything is tuned.By the way, it's common for lower frequency antennas to be specified in degrees of a full wave. So this antenna is a total of 137º at 680 KHz (but electrically longer, because of the top hat).

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    This distinctive stacked dual antenna arrangement is used to lower the radiation angle of the antenna, concentrating transmitted power to the "ground wave" and reducing energy that would otherwise be sent upward into the sky.The smaller (300 foot) freestanding mast in the background left is not in current use. It can be used as an emergency spare antenna for KNBR during maintenance of the taller main antenna.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    The antenna field is in the final approach and takeoff flightpath for SFO airport's runways 28L/R (and 10L/R), and so the site has special markings to warn pilots of a collision hazard. In addition to the usual tower lights and red/white paint, 3-dimensional "HAZ" warnings were installed around the field. These are easily visible in areal photos; see, e.g., earth.google.com/web/@37.54712

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Note, important safety tip: you can get closer to this tower without clearly trespassing or jumping fences than most other 50KW broadcast antennas I've encountered. I measured a field strength of over 80V/m a bit outside the tower fence, which is an incredibly strong signal (though still within OSHA limits at the frequency involved).Resist any temptation to jump the fence and climb the (energized) tower. You'd be electrocuted as soon as you touched it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    AM broadcast is a technically interesting and somewhat endangered medium. The low frequencies mean that signals routinely travel well beyond their local coverage areas, especially overnight in winter. So there's a bit of mystery in tuning around the dial late at night; you never know what you might pick up.Sadly, industry consolidation and the growth of higher bandwidth media (FM, satellite, podcasts) has greatly reduced the variety and local focus of programming. But it somehow hangs on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze With modern modulation techniques, I'd think you could get some pretty decent bandwidth even at those frequencies for long-distance data comms. Wouldn't be AM anymore, but...

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The rapid decline in recent years of local content on the mediumwave bands has considerably reduced the romantic mystery of tuning around and seeing what you find. It's mostly now a sterile mix of mass-produced, syndicated right wing talk, sports, and so on. But there are still a handful of stubbornly local stations producing their own programming.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze It wasn't unusual at all to hear the midnight baseball rebroadcasts of Giants games on KNBR up here in Portland. A clear channel meant something in those days.Thank you for advising people to stay away from the tower. There really isn't a "safe" place to be on a transmitter site unless you are part of a crew and following strict protocols. (Full disclosure: I've worked on transmitter sites and know a whole lot more about specific dangers than an average person.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze I secretly love when the power goes out (not for too long though) so I can get out a portable radio and DX on the shortwave and medium wave bands. No matter the content, get a thrill from hearing a signal from a far-away place.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    @mattblaze I had a Mickey Mouse transistor radio as a kid that I'd keep under the pillow to listen to at night -- something of a feat, since it was about an inch and a half thick. Mostly I listened to WIP-AM (which was music then) and KYW (still news after all these years), but I would tune around seeing what I could find. One night I was surprised to hear a Chicago Blackhawks game -- being broadcast from Chicago without a repeater! Overcast nights for the win.

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