cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/49220518

They may be fictional characters, but they are voiced by real people, the court says.

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[–] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't speak to Korean law, but this seems like a real stupid take. Actors are different from their characters. You can't damage a character because they aren't real.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In a lot of places you can be sued for defaming a company brand, though. This seems similar to that.

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In July 2024, the defendant targeted Plave in a series of posts - some containing profanity. Among them were comments that the people behind the avatars "could be ugly in real life" and gave off a "typical Korean man vibe", Korea Times reported.

    Unless the guy said much worse things that weren't reported, it seems like South Korean defamation laws are draconian.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So if they are voiced by AI or silent, we can defamate their picture as much as we want?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    As long as someone makes money off of it, you can get sued.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They look stupid, this is just corpo music for Koreans no wonder the courts protected them.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Such trashy boyband slop how does it sell at all, do koreans have no taste at all or are they that brainwashed ?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The same way trashy boyband slop sells everywhere else: they have a different taste than you and judge music differently.

    With boy bands like The Backstreet Boys or the Beatles, they don't go for some artsy music. All they need are songs that get stuck in your head and some pretty people singing them to get little girls/boys fawning over them.

    And fun fact: their opinion is just as valid as yours. Because there is nothing as subjective as music.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    I agree that the comments in question seem like nothing to count as defamation, but actual defamation of virtual bands should count as defamation IMO. They're as fictional as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillaz is—every character is one-to-one to their real-life voice actors. Though I guess in that case you might be defaming the voice actor behind the character instead.

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Let people like what they like. If it’s a fad, it’ll pass but until people are legitimately hurting themselves or others over it, just let people enjoy things they enjoy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It feels really exploitive to me. I worry about anorexia and the psychological damage to those young performers. It's like the 90s in the US, you know?

    The virtual stuff might be better tbh

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Among them were comments that the people behind the avatars "could be ugly in real life" and gave off a "typical Korean man vibe", Korea Times reported.

    I wish they'd reprint some of the actually "harmful" comments, because that kind of thing is just shitty online discourse. These examples are also pretty obviously targeted at the anons behind the group, not the avatars, but, again, it's no different from saying "I bet the person behind I Cast Fist is a fat and ugly man" - that's not defamation

    But the court rejected the argument, saying that if an avatar was widely recognised to represent someone real, then attacks on the avatar also extended to the real person.

    No, it does not. That's a terrible precedent to make. A character is not the person behind it, a character can live on without the original person behind it and can be interpreted by a different person.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Darth Vader sucks egg salad through a hose to eat

    Sounds like they represent real people is the reason

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Anything that gets in the way of scumbags making money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    anyone know what the claim is to even count as defamation?. That to me seems like what should be the crux.

    IE if the claim was "X's voice clearly shows he's dying of cancer." I could see that as defamation. On the other hand "X is summoning demons" that clearly would be fan-fiction.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm not sure about Korean laws specifically, but they're usually has to be actual damage to win a defamation case. If accusations of summoning demons caused them to lose business, it would count.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (8 children)
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    Average Uncultured American (they fail to appreciate other cultures):

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    K-pop is just as bad as most countries' soulless corporate pop music, including from the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Define soulless corporate pop music

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Music not made by artists doing what they want, but a corporation deciding what is needed to check the boxes listed by market studies.

    If anything, it is more soulless than even AI music. Although some people are into it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I say you like what you like. So long as it don't hurt no one, I'm okay with it.

    Fun pop song made by a team of songwriters? Cool.

    Solo singer-songwriter writing from their heart and hatred for women & LGBT? GTFO

    If it is fun, it is fun. If I like it, I like. Don't care for details. So long as it's not hurtful or offensive, I don't GAFOS

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Uninspired design by committee garbage performed by a group assembled by record label executives. If a song has more than 3 songwriting credits it is guaranteed trash.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, let us hope none of The Beatles' songs have been written by all members, then. Same goes for any band with more than three members. Cuz apparently many songwriters s bad. Only solo artists. In fact, to be safe, we should just ban group acts. Solo artists only. Anything else is corporate garbage. The best stuff is done by one person alone, not a group of people. Or so says this one person on the internet

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  • There are four Beatles songs with more than 3 songwriter credits and they're all pretty forgettable. All but Flying are either from their early pop days or from Let it Be when they stopped giving a shit right before they broke up the band:

    Dig It

    Flying

    Maggie Mae

    Please Mr. Postman

    Thanks for helping to demonstrate my point.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not as ridiculous as it sounds if you read the article. They rejected the argument that they were attacking the fictional character and not the people, because they were clearly targeting the people.

    The comments aren't illegal everywhere (honestly it's the kinda shit that gets said about every Vtuber, to the point where it's banal to me) but Korea probably has stricter defamation laws than, say, the US.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Korea absolutely has much stricter defamation laws to the point I'm afraid to give a restaurant less than 5 stars on UberEats. I kid, but you really gotta be careful what you say about people online or even in person. I had a co-worker call our boss a liar and get sued for it. Dude was definitely a liar.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah vtubers are a little different than a traditional cartoon character. If someone hates Homer Simpson and says he has sex with dogs when he's not on TV that is obviously absurd, but if someone says that about a vtuber the implication is that this is about the real person who portrays the vtuber. IMO if something would be illegal to say about a regular streamer, it should probably be illegal to say about a vtuber. I am generally on the side of freedom of speech on these things, but I think for consistency's sake the law should treat the two similarly.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)