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Pakistan to drop nuclear weapon on Israel if Israel nukes Iran, says Rezaei (www.turkiyetoday.com)
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[–] 80 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I’m really liking all this talk from so many world leaders about nuking each other. I think we’re on the right track here

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Honestly? It’s a great deterrent. Have you heard of a nuclear power being attacked for real? Ukraine disarmed voluntarily and see where that got them. Everyone should get nukes and threaten everyone (or „warn” if you’re Israel).

    Mexican standoff nuclear doctrine, you’ve heard it here first.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    that's mad

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    MAD only assumes inevitability of retaliation. Mexican Standoff doctrine adds complete global proliferation so that nobody can be bullied.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can insaneify this further:

    Not only have total nuclear armament for every country on Earth...

    Every country on Earth also employs Israel's Samson Doctrine.

    Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

    And that guarantees they’re never going to be existentially threatened. Now let’s have that for everyone so it’s actually fair.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    so it's either everybody or nobody, makes sense

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Alternative is nuclear powers do what they want to everyone else. As someone living in a non-nuclear capable state I think that’s something that should be fixed asap, for our benefit, and others must be thinking that too. Especially after how worthless security guarantees turned out to be.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's pretty dumb as a deterrent because a single miscalculation and it would set off a chain reaction that ends human civilization.

    Think of it this way: because nuclear missiles are not immediately traceable to their country of origin, each nuclear-armed country will immediately launch at their perceived enemies without validating who attacked them. All it takes is one launch. This might deter a sane person but we are led by narcissists and these are not rational people.

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    • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Did they discover mutually assured destruction?

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's a bold statement, since I'm pretty sure Hindu Nationalists intend to glass Islamabad the second they get a good excuse.

    Maybe everybody chill the fuck out. Two uses of nuclear weapons were enough.

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    • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can we have one crises at a time please???

    Ukraine. The US becoming a dictatorship under a moron pres. Gaza. And now this shit???

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    • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    LET THE NUKES FLY

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    • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    AH MOTHERLAND!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Bout that time ey chaps?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But I am le tired

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well zen, take a nap. THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!!

    sorry it's been years

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    What's going on ey?

    Edit: ok so I just watched it for the first time in like.....15 years. I remembered nearly all of it except the part where California breaks off of the US to chill with Hawaii and Alaska.....how is this shit so goddamn relevant

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    • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    As I've noted before, Israel will be the catalyst that starts another global war if we don't stop them.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Welp, good thing I don't live in any major metro area nor near any strategically critical infrastructure.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I do, Oklahoma will be vaporized, so I won't have to deal with any fallout. Unless I become a ghoul or something. Maybe I should start collecting bottle camps. At the very less, someone looting the ruins will get a big payday.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    I think this is a more realistic projection that accounts for... updated modern understsnding of how long radiation persists in nature, as well as... there aren't as many nuclear weapons as there were at the height of the Cold War, and those nuclear weapons are now more spread out against a whole bunch of other nculear powers and targets around the world...

    So... if you're in OK, you could maybe stand a shot at avoiding a massively irradiated area if there was any warning?

    Or, a reasonable shot at only needing 2 weeks of food and water to shelter in place and ... at least not die of radiation poisoning?

    On the other hand, FEMA barely exists, and the Post Office is fucked... so that would cripple the older triage and rebuild plans I am aware of from the Cold War.

    All the old postal carrier vehicles were supposed to be turned into makeshift ambulances...

    ...

    But anyway, just a general 'lol' at all the ICBM sites in the great plains getting at least one if not several nukes likely dedicated to them, each.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    just a general ‘lol’ at all the ICBM sites in the great plains getting at least one if not several nukes likely dedicated to them, each.

    This is the point of the "nuclear sponge". The missile silos in the northern plains states are hard enough targets that any nuclear first strike would likely target those silos with a lot of warheads. The goal of such strikes would be to reduce the number of US warheads that can be used in a counter-strike. But, because destroying those silos is hard, each one needs to be targeted by multiple warheads to have a high likelihood of "killing" the missile contained in the silo. This means that any attacker has less warheads to target US military sites or US population centers. Basically, Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming and Colorado all get completely fucked, so the rest of us can be less fucked. Assuming, of course, that the attacker sees reducing US land based warheads as a viable/useful strategy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why such a big one for Seattle? I think a smaller tactical thing would do the trick no? Maybe over by Redmond? I propose a properly Gerrymandered fall out map.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Could be wrong, but I believe Seattle has such a large looking symbol because it doesn't have a bunch of other ones around it. I think the size of the symbol is the same as the size of the rest of the civilian targets. Jacksonville also stood out to me at first but I think New York's is the same size.

    Edit: there's two sizes for the symbols, large and small. Seattle's is the same size as Portland's.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Seattle has:

    Medium sized international commercial sea port.

    Boeing Field, half of which is a military only zone.

    Largest manufactorium of aircraft in the world a bit north in Everett, more stuff in Kent.

    Also in Everett is a deep water west coast Naval base.

    Nearby to Seattle is JBLM, huge military base.

    Nearby is also Fairchild and Kitsap major Naval bases. Fairchild has Navy's ELINT aircraft, Kitsap has a whole lotta submarines.

    Major general convergence point for road traffic, blow apart I5, imagine 405 traffic after that.

    Pretty major concentration of transformers for electrical for the whole region.

    Major industrial railyard, medium sized passenger one.

    ... And a whole lot of major internet undersea tunnels connect to the rest of the world, and the rest of the US, in a building in downtown Seattle, which of course also has a couple floors dedicated to every 3 letter agency you've ever heard of.

    It completely makes sense for an adversary to nuke the Everett to Seattle to Tacoma area out of existence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I live in a place that a nuke will hit directly, because of the infrastructure here. So nope vaporized. Not like I will be able to run to somewhere safe.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Damn.

    If it does happen, I'll dedicate a prayer session at the Children of the Atom annual recital to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thanks I appreciate that. I do hope it holds off long enough for me to move on somewhere safe. But don't know if I will be able to. And don't see no one building any vaults.

    Hmmm, I wonder could we start crowd sourcing this now?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Crowd source... VaultTec?

    Probably not... at the scale of their Vaults.

    Every once in a while, some kind of abandoned nuclear silo or mine or something does pop up for sale... but they almost all get snapped up by, you guessed it, billionaires looking to convert it into their personal apocalypse bunker.

    For a well off layman? A group of maybe 10 or 20 such people?

    Uh, basically, buy some shipping containers, cut out some walls and put in new supoort structures,, dig a big fucking hole out in the boonies, put your container-plex in the hole, fit it with a well/cistern, ventilation, filters, some kind of power solution, yada yada, bury it 2 or 3 stories deep, set up a ladder and manhole and basically airlock/decontamination entrance.

    Probably gonna want an actual architect involved there.

    Probably doable for ... comparable to the cost of house?

    ???

    Only other thing I can think of is that there are actually a few, now long defunct, actual purpose built fallout shelter for maybe a couple hundred people, built back in the 50s/60s in various US cities... might be possible to use them as shelter, probably impossible to retrofit and refurb beforehand.

    Or become a mole person and live in sewers/steam tunnels/subway tunnels, if your city has those.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Companies exist (first example I found, I've no clue of anything about them) to install this sort of thing. I've no idea if they are any good; or, if their prices are what their site claims for some of them. But, it does seem that one can get a "professionally" installed bomb shelter for about the price if a house (assuming one already has the land). Of course, stocking it, and keeping food/water/supplies up to date seems like it would cost a good bit as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Well shit, hey there ya go.

    But uh yeah, keeping it stocked is actually a bitch and a half.

    You have to monitor temp and humidity levels, else most shit will in fact go bad. You really, really do not want to move into your bunker and discover a surprise black mold infection everywhere.

    Gotta check your water system, gotta check your electricals... its not just buy it and forget it, it requires active monitoring and maintenance.

    Like uh, more recently, a whole bunch of gun nuts went out and bought themselves boatloads of ammo during the latest 'Dems are gonna take all your guns' scare... thinking of it as both a more normal situation 'investment' (planning on prices going up forever) as well as useful for barter and shooty shoot in a shtf scenario.

    Well guess what, that was a cyclical bubble, not a new constant trend, ammo didnt just keep going up and up and up.

    Oh and if you move, transporting a small armory's worth of ammo is a logistical nightmare: very dense and heavy, also it can explode, also its fucking weapons grade munitions, enjoy paperwork, also a bunch of states just passed laws that more or less said... yeah, if you're 3rd party transacting ammo, you have to do that all through a gun store who can submit all the paperwork, no more loophole for untrackable ammo with no paper trail.

    And the best part: many, many of these buffoons... didn't bother with environmental control.

    Surprise, idiots!

    Heating and cooling cycles weaken cartridges over time, air can get into a cartridge with a compromised seal, which now begins to ... basically neuter your gunpowder, rust is a thing that can happen when moisture is too high, as is mold, and all of these things can turn your rounds low quality or outright into duds in just a few years of not being properly stored.

    There is truly nothing funnier to watch than divorced Republican dads fail and fail and fail all over again at everything they attempt because they are too overconfident, don't bother to fully research a topic before diving into it, and assume they are experts because they watched another overconfident asshole on youtube acted like one... and disregard any relevant questions or criticism from someone they don't respect.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Lol solidarity

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If Israel gets nuked off the map, what happens to the second coming?

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I always thought the setting of Piercy's He, She, It was a bit too close to comfort.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Great.

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