guys plz just install linux, we only play 5 year old games

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[–] 40 points 1 year ago

Wow, I've been running Linux for 14 years already?

Yeah, it's Penguin time! 🐧

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    irm https://get.activated.win/ | iex

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    it's actually amazing. okay well it's a pity win, but it's good

    also widows 10 IoT is still getting updates for another decade if anyone gives a shit

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The people who give a shit: former windows CE devs

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    no I mean piping a downloaded script to the interpreter

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    Just tossing this out there, if your son hasn't seen it yet, show him Portal. I showed it to my son when he was starting to get into computers and its still one of his favorites in college.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know if this still holds but, my experience is that minecraft works arguably better on linux

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Strangely enough, Bedrock is har to use on Linux. Java is so much better though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    honestly, bedrock is just a cash grab game so i don't even care about not having it in linux. and if i really wanna play with people who don't have PCs, i can install one mod on the server and they can join and play perfectly

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can show him the wonders of 3rd party FOSS linux minecraft launchers like polymc.

    You can also be a good parent and not introduce him to a modded gaming addiction.

    This is like the trolley prolem all over again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    the owner/lead dev/github project creator of polymc kinda went crazy a while ago and put some malware or something on the launcher so most of the dev team got an older, unadulterated version of the launcher and created prismlauncher, which is up until now, the best launcher i've used. also, if you have flatpak it's really easy to find and install.

    and ehhh performance mods are basically necessary to run minecraft smoothly, so i'd really recommend the simply optimized modpack, which is the same as vanilla but has the best optimization mods (or the fabulously optimized modpack, which is basically the same thing but has some quality of life mods thrown in too)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • My son was convinced to use Linux by wobbly windows.

    Although he does have a second SSD now with Windows to be able to play the big popular multiplayer game of the day with his friends. But they are back on Minecraft often enough.

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    Just use different drives.

    That's it. You are shielded.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My Linux install and Windows install were on different drives and Windows still managed to fuck my windows install by messing up the secure boot enrollment somehow when I did updates. I wasn't able to fix it and had to completly reinstall Linux. I turned secure boot off so it shouldn't happen again but still.... that happened.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I dual boot and haven't had an issue like that, yes I know I'm not everyone

    Also isn't secure boot enrollment easy to fix just be re-enroling through commands

    I'm familiar with Linux having commands for it and I think Windows has its equivalent commands as well

    I'm familiar with re-enrolling secure boot because of fixing a broken akmods on my fedora install and years ago before dual booting when I was back on Windows I accidentally fucked up secureboot

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Also isn’t secure boot enrollment easy to fix just be re-enroling through commands

    Apparently not. I know how to do it but it didn't work. I spent 2 days troubleshooting and asking for help on their discord but got nowhere.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Sadly I had to install Windows 10 iot ltsc on a laptop I own.

    I tried to install linux. Several distros. But I always ran into de same issue. I was unable to install nvidia drivers. Which was weird, because that laptop have been on linux a few years prior and I clearly recall installing nvidia drivers without any issues.

    So I dug into the problem. And it seems that some new linux kernel had issues with older nvidia drivers, so most, if not all, distros dropped support for that old driver. Only given solution was to run some old lts distro. But por instance mint lts will end on 2027.

    At the same time everything worked just fine on that version of windows that have support until 2032.

    And, not, the laptop is not that usable with nouveau drivers, as those are incapable of doing hardware acceleration, so everything runs slower, specially games, but it can be noticed even in just the DE.

    So it's weird. That in order to keep old hardware around I need to use Windows, because linux dropped support for this particular older hardware earlier than windows.

    I know it's just an exception, and that is mostly Nvidia's fault. But I had to do what I had to do.

    Still running linux on other of my machines though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is there no option to use the igpu? Or you need the dgpu for some reason?

    You can run a new distro with an old kernel, I used to do that with slackware. you can get similar 10 year support (after kernel.org lts ends) for the kernel if you take it from rhel/rocky linux

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    It is, same as nouveau drivers. But with a loss in performance, because not gpu hardware acceleration.

    The computer runs and linux with nouveau will be its final destiny. But as for now there are some games I play that are just on the edge that run very well with hardware acceleration but sluggish with igpu or nouveau.

    I will have to look into the new distro/old kernel thing. It may be a solution.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How old are we talking? The nvidia open-source drivers dropped support for everything prior to the 20-series i think? but the closed-source nvidia drivers still support older cards.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    2013 I think. It's a 710M laptop gpu. The needed driver is the 390 something like that. Both fedora and ubuntu based distro had dropped support for it. I tried manual installation but indeed it failed because it doesn't seems to play nice with the kernel.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you're new to Linux, then NixOS may be outside your comfort zone, but nixpkgs does enable simple patch set integration for legacy Nvidia drivers for use with recent kernels. You could try enabling the 390 config option from a NixOS desktop install, or fetch and apply the appropriate patch from aurPatches source yourself from a different distro for a corresponding kernel version:

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  • If you're ever inclined to to go back, OpenSUSE (at least Tumbleweed, not sure about Leap) still supports the old drivers. I'm starting to be in the same boat with my 150 MX.

    Although I rarely use it. Putting the laptop to sleep often ends up in a crash with the nVidia drivers. Luckily I also have Intel onboard graphics in the thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I run a GTX 980 Ti; Maxwell architecture is still supported for three years. Older than that: Kepler support ended last year and Fermi support ended in 2023, and they won't play nice with kernels released since then.

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  • I was on windows 11 for a while. So long windows. Your ass is now grass that will feed a unicorn.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    really the only thing that gives us trouble on linux these days are brand new AAA's where the publisher is sometimes Linux-hostile or occasionally certain E-sports

    if you run a John Deere tractor or a Cricut you might have to learn Docker

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My understanding is the biggest issue is kernel level anti-cheat. I've never had a game fail to play well for me, but i also don't play stuff like battlefield or destiny or FIFA or whatever.

    Worst bug I've had is War Thunder having a 5-second freeze at the start of ground realistic battles. But that's just bad support for the Linux client.

    Other issues I've seen the most is forcing dedicated GPU (run parameters fix, e.g. DRI_PRIME=XXX) and connectivity with indie games on steam which is usually fixed with changing proton version, ensuring dedicated gpu, etc.

    In the end, Finnish Cottage Simulator runs with proton 9.4 and that's the only game you will ever need.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Is there a good way to figure out what games do and don't work on Linux beyond just playing them?

    I finally bought a SteamDeck to address this. Now I just use the "SteamDeck Verified" badge on Steam.

    It is worth adding that I have found Valve to be very conservative with giving out "playable" and "verified" bages. (I have had to wait for a Nintendo Switch game to get a required emergency patch more times than I have had any issue with a "SteamDeck Verified" game on SteamDeck.)

    With "Playable" your mileage may vary. A large number of "SteamDeck Playable" games would be fine on Linux Desktop, but are awkward on the SteamDeck smaller screen and need a hunch of controller mapping done.

    But I happily play many games on my SteamDeck that are only badged as "playable".

    I guess my recommendation is what I did:

    1. buy a SteamDeck
    2. Try various games I care about on the SteamDeck
    3. Satisfied, throw out my last copy of Windows
    4. Mostly forget that desktop gaming is a thing, because I'm busy and my SteamDeck let's me play on the go and from my recliner.
    5. ...?...
    6. Declare this the year of the Linux Desktop Gaming to my friends.
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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    my biggest concern is getting vr to work on Linux reliably. if not for that I'd have switched long ago.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Windows XP flashbacks

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Take it offline

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  • Windows 11 is much better in a VM

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    As for games, there's OpenRA: Combined Arms & Warzone-2100

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    you forgot luanti, supertuxkart, neverputt and neverball. then that's all the games you need.

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    [+] -13 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Have multiple computers.

    My house has Win 11, Win 10, Win 7 and Ubuntu on various machines.

    Computers aren't super expensive.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I have multiple computers.

    They're running Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux and Linux.

    Tap for spoilerTwo Kubuntu desktops, two Proxmox servers, and two Raspberry Pi running Raspberry Pi OS.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Little bit disappointed that its not

    ::: spoiler Arch :::

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yep. In my house it’s mint, mint, pi, pi, osx, osx, osx, and the work laptop running win 11 because argh.

    When I find out a) what distros are best for the older MacBook Pros that’s ideally not Gnome and b) what the best photography workflow/retouch tools are for Linux then it’ll be all except the work machine.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Have multiple computers

    Must be nice..

    Computers aren't super expensive.

    They are if you want to play any games from the last decade on them. Hell, a top of the line graphics card alone costs as much as a decent used car!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hell, a top of the line graphics card alone costs as much as a decent used car!

    Spoken like somebody who hasn't shopped for a decent used car recently.

    "Cash for Clunkers" really fucked us over.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So i just looked it up. The best game of 2015 from a random website is witcher 3 wild hunt. The required setting are 8gb ram, a i7-3770, and a gtx 770. For reference i also looked at mtgs 5 and they are basocally the same requirement. The i7 and the 770 cost around 60-80$cad each on ebay.

    Cheers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, you can't go by the minimum requirements if you want to actually ENJOY games. With a RTX 3060TI, I got decent fps at 1080p with medium settings last I played TW3.

    A GTX 770 might technically be able to run it, but it would struggle mightily to hit 30fps at minimum settings on minimum resolution, let alone with the next gen update and/or any mods..

    Btw, since you're gonna be nitpicky enough to choose the very farthest year in my decade range to make your specious argument that gaming PCs are cheap, I might as well be even more nitpicky and point out that TW3 was released on PC in May of 2015 and as such is more than a decade old.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    Fallout 4 8gb i7-4790, gtx 780 Arkaham knight 8gb i7-3770 gtx 760 Mad max 8gb i7-3770 gtx 760 Starcraft 2 lotv 4gb i5 gtx 650 Mortal combat x 8gb i7-3770 gtx 660 Soma 8gb i5 gtx 480

    Once again these are the best game as the most played then and no these are not the minimum requirement. Enjoyement is subjective, these are the actual requirement.πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ At this point you can believe what you want, your opinion is not invalid because of me. Have a nice day πŸ‘‹

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