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sudo-rs Is Now The Default sudo Of Ubuntu 25.10 (www.phoronix.com)
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[–] 71 points 1 year ago (17 children)
  • Wayland by default? Ubuntu has covered you.
  • GNOME by default DE? Ubuntu has covered you.
  • Snap by default and used everywhere? Ubuntu has covered you.
  • Rust through sudo replaced by sudo-rs by default? Ubuntu has covered you.
  • Popular and controlled by a corporation? Ubuntu has covered you.
  • Plus some historical stuff people did not forgot: Mir, Unity, Amazon data collection? Ubuntu has covered you.

Ubuntu has it all: The most important controversies in one package.

BTW this reply is more a joke than being serious. I'm not the biggest fan of Ubuntu (anymore), but I also used it straight 13 years since I started; so let me have me my opinion. Besides that, I make just fun of companies and not of the users. People should use what they like.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Is there a good alternative to Ubuntu that’s deployment ready for a small to medium business that doesn’t require paying for support like Red Hat? I don’t use it on my own machines, but when I’m working with clients it’s pretty much all I recommend. I could maybe be won over by Mint, but I’m still a little skeptical about the polish and reliability there.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Debian stable

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    That's always been my go to, rock solid OS that will just chug along. My son (Arch user) likes to joke that mine is always out of date, but I like to joke that he's the beta tester.

    When LMDE was dropped I started recommending that to the Windows Expats I meet because its UI is familiar to them and Debian just runs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I’ve been encouraged by 12 and 13 making progress towards out of the box usability. But it still takes too much tweaking to make it work smoothly for desktop users at scale. This isn’t a shot at Debian by the way. I use it on at least some of my own machines. Just have a hard time recommending it depending on the situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good joke

    Install mint/fedora (classic or atomic)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not fedora, it's too much like Arch (bleeding edge). Although I do enjoy their immutable spins, using Aurora on my laptop for over a year.

    Mint debian edition or MX ahs edition would be my goto solutions. Specially mx, since you can prepare your own custom iso so easily as install, customize, use their tool, get iso. Then you can install in all your other machines ;)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I don't even think that Ubuntu for desktop isn't even that bad. It's not what I would use though on my personal home rig, but it seems to be a solid option in professional server business. I would say, if your clients are happy, then you did a good choice so far.

    One of the biggest strength pro Ubuntu is the big community and help you can get from. Mint is probably a good choice too, but I'm not sure if that is a good one for business. Me making fun of Ubuntu is more about the perception from the community and home user, less about professional users. I think especially in business if you are in doubt, recommend Ubuntu.

    Edit: Nothing important.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If you want something in the RHEL family, Fedora. If you want something in the Debian family, Debian. Or Mint if you're okay with a little deviation for better OOTB.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I love Fedora, but it’s way too chaotic and shit breaks all the time. Maybe break is the wrong word, but it’s too unstable for the type of users I’m talking about at least. I already explained my reasons for Debian. Mint could win me over, but I’m not quite there yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Have you given LMDE a go? All the benefits of Mint, the stability of Debian, all without having to deal with snaps sneaking in.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have not! I’ll have to look into it. I appreciate the suggestion. I thought Mint also had snaps stripped out. I don’t exactly love snaps, but they can also be kind of nice from a user experience perspective. I’d prefer if Ubuntu used Flatpaks instead, but beggars can’t be choosers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does Fedora not have a stable LTS type of thing?

    I haven't had any trouble with Debian. I just switched my own desktop from Windows about a week ago and I didn't find there was much that needed changing. If you feel there is, you could probably add it into the installer, or configure with something like ansible post-install.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nope. Red Hat is as close as you’ll get. Maybe CentOS Stream but I’ve never tried it. Debian is workable with some tweaking but at scale that becomes a little annoying. If Ubuntu ever broke a workflow with their changes, I would 100% offer Debian as an option.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    KDE Neon has been working fine as my daily driver for the last two years, it's Ubuntu-based but has the latest KDE packages on top. Though I've heard KDE wants to phase it out in favour of their own distro

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    • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

    Was sudo broken in some way that makes rewriting it in rust appealing? Genuinely curious.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everyone is focusing on the fact that this us C vs rust. The original sudo has issues on its own. Its a large code base that does lots of things and has inherent security vulnerabilities.

    Sudo is worth redoing regardless of language.

    https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-vulnerabilities/sudo-flaws-linux-privilege-at-risk

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Its a big debate/ discussion lately, as rust has some safety bits built-in that make it safer than C. So tools are getting ported.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I mean....sounds fine. Why is it "controversial"?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Few reasons, some less valid than others.

    • replaces GPL license with more permissive one
    • wasnt broke dont fix
    • missing some configuration features of base sudo
    • C people feeling threatened by rust
    • people hate rust's overzealous stans
    • rust community is pretty queer, so being anti-rust is a nice proxy for anti-lgbtq
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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    replaces GPL license with more permissive one

    Honestly I think this is a rather big deal. It leaves our project open to just being made closed source / justifies not contributing back from big companies.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago
    • wasnt broke dont fix

    Sadly, security issues are still being found in sudo, so wasn't broke isn't entirely true. Though, whether or not Rust prevents a given security issue is strongly dependent on the kind of issue. Security issues arising from logical errors usually don't get caught, there is only a guarantee for memory management issues.

    • missing some configuration features of base sudo

    One of the things sudo-rs does is implement only a subset of features to decrease the attack surface. A recent security issue did not affect sudo-rs because they simply did not implement the feature that had the (logic) bug. As with many things this is a trade-off.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    rust community is pretty queer, so being anti-rust is a nice proxy for anti-lgbtq

    New to me; is þis recent? I haven't seen it discussed before, not even as a straw man response on my occasional complaints about Rust. Is þe Rust community demonstrably more queer þan oþer PL communities? Are þere anti-queer PL's?

    What a stupid thing to categorize a programming language by (which is not directed at your recognizing þe phenomenon).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's not new and it doesn't have a lot to do with rust really. Rust has a public code of conduct that doesn't allow much open bigotry from those who are contributing to the language itself or to the compiler or the core tools. Some people really hate this.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Honestly - even if there were no other practical benefit to the code base - having a new language to recode everything in is healthy for programmers - it gets newer engineers excited.

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    • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Been using sudo rs for few months now. You will rarely notice any change

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Do you hve to write sudo-rs ?

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I was curious how this stacks up against the standard sudo. This is from their GitHub:

    Differences from original sudo sudo-rs supports less functionality than sudo. Some of this is by design. In most cases you will get a clear error if you try something that is not supported (e.g. use a configuration flag or command line option that is not implemented).

    So more restrictive, but safer.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    As a BSD user, I am surprised doas didn't get a fighting chance

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