I have a #Pixel 10 Pro XL phone, which may be the first phone to give warnings when the phone connects to a rogue cellphone tower or IMSI catcher. The OS cannot block it; it can only tell you that someone read information, and it presents an alert. It says,

"Your data may be at risk. Device ID accessed. At 6:57 PM a nearby network recorded your device's unique ID (IMSI or IMEI) while using your T-Mobile SIM. This means that your location, activity, or identity has been logged."

I didn't ever get an alert before walking through the building, but this time, during a 30-minute walk through the building, I got about 8 alerts, ranging between 1 and 3 minutes apart.

Using this information from repeated connections, someone can follow my movements and location; they can identify it's me because the IMSI number is unique to my phone, so it can be an indication that someone was collecting all the cellphone information in the area, most likely law enforcement.

It can also mean that I was connecting to a rogue cell phone tower, not just an IMSI catcher, and it was an attempted Stingray attack, likely also law enforcement. If successful, they can try to see and hear what I'm doing on my phone, as my phone won't know that it's a fake cellphone tower.

Be aware that a rogue tower will try to negotiate your phone's connection down to a 2G connection, which is unencrypted, providing them with access to everything that you are doing and saying. Please go into your phone's settings and disable 2G!!

It's been believed for some time that this technology has been used by law enforcement secretly and consistently. This is creepy and unnerving.

Turning off the phone, by the way, doesn't stop an IMSI catcher. Your phone still responds. You need to keep the phone in a Faraday bag if you're really concerned.

It's a good thing that phones are now starting to inform people that they are being watched and that people will begin to see how much of an issue this is. You can assume that your local law enforcement knows where you are all the time.

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[–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It could also be something less alarming, like cellular repeaters inside the building. Many buildings use these to boost indoor coverage when concrete and steel block signals from outside towers, and that might explain why your phone flagged multiple connections so quickly. I’m not ruling out the possibility of a rogue tower or IMSI catcher, but it’s worth considering that the alerts could simply be repeaters being picked up by this new warning feature. Either way, it’s good that your phone is making you aware — at least now you know when unusual connections happen.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A cell phone repeater is a passive device. It just extends the range of an existing signal. They don't act as cell towers. They don't read information from the phone.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That’s true for some types of signal boosters, especially the simple passive ones. But many building systems aren’t just passive repeaters — they use distributed antenna systems (DAS) or active repeaters that re-broadcast the signal from outside towers. From the phone’s perspective, those can sometimes look like a new connection point, even though they’re not rogue towers reading data.

    So while your point is absolutely right that a normal repeater doesn’t act as a tower or capture phone info, the way modern indoor coverage solutions are implemented can still trigger the same kinds of warnings. That’s why it can be hard to tell apart a harmless booster from something more suspicious.

    More information about DAS systems and cellular repeaters, and how they differ, if you’re interested:

    🔗 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_antenna_system

    🔗 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_repeater

    (edit, added Wikipedia links)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    If you switch off 2G, bear in mind that it might be your only option to send emergency calls when otherwise out of signal. Remembering how to switch it back on (or even that you'd switched it off) might not be feasible when you need it!

    edit: phone typos

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    According to the documentation, turning off 2G will not block emergency calls. But, yeah, having said this, definitely, it's best to remember how to switch it back on, just in case.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    US carriers have supposedly decommissioned 2G completely as of February of this year according to Google:

    Carrier shutdowns: All major U.S. carriers have shut down their 2G networks. AT&T completed its shutdown in 2017, Verizon in 2020, and T-Mobile (the last major holdout) by early 2025.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2G is shutdown for consumers, it still exists for commercial systems that use it for data reporting (thing gas lines, remote monitoring systems, etc).

    Now I don't know what that means for our phones, or which towers still have it. I suspect any consumer phone will simply never be able to connect via 2G,but the tower would still see the phone on 2G.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A few years ago someone I knew at T-Mobile said they could no longer get replacement parts for 2G equipment. If it's still up and running I wonder how it's being maintained? Or maybe he was misinformed.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That's hilarious. No major facilities-based mobile network provider in the US has used physical 2G hardware for many years.

    Everything was converted to software-defined remote radio heads long ago. The RRHs get mounted up in the air directly behind the antenna element arrays. The same RRHs that power LTE RANs can do GSM just fine.

    GSM is computationally and spectrally an afterthought. They literally shove it into the guard bands at the far edges of the PCS LTE carrier.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Found and updated the avoid 2g setting on my Pixel 6. I am running android 16.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Where was it? Haven't find it on mine

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It tries to force you down to 2G

    Oh shit... Could this be why my phone seemingly randomly switches to 2G/LTE? It always seems to happen in the same places, and never for more than a minute or two.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Turning off the phone doesn't stop it? How does it reply?

    I'm assuming pulling my (Fairphone) battery out would kill it dead?

    Creeeeeeepy

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    IMSI catchers / rogue cell towers do not work with switched off phones or in airplane mode. Source: https://shop.mobilen.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-imsi-catcher-detector/

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Seems to depend on what you read: https://godarkbags.com/blogs/news/imsi-catchers-the-hidden-threat-to-your-mobile-privacy-and-how-to-stop-them

    Quote:

    Can I Be Tracked With My Phone Off?

    Yes, even when your phone is turned off, it’s not entirely inactive. The radio system, controlled by a separate subsystem called Baseband, can still transmit signals. This design allows for features like remote device tracking but also means that simply turning off your phone doesn't protect you from IMSI catchers. Using a Faraday bag completely isolates your device from any external signals, providing robust protection.

    The most effective defense against these threats is to block the signals that IMSI catchers rely on. This is where Faraday bags come into play. These specially designed bags create a barrier that prevents radio waves from reaching your device, effectively neutralizing IMSI catchers and other surveillance tools.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd recommend searching for other sources to corroborate that story. A website selling Faraday bags telling you that you really need a Faraday bag is hardly a reliable source.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    It doesn't mean they are wrong. Anyway, here:

    "Based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency (NSA) had already developed a technique in 2004 to locate cell phones even when they were turned off, called “The Find”, mostly used to locate terrorist suspects [36]. This was accomplished through the use of IMSI catchers, which could wirelessly send a command to the phone’s baseband chip to fake any shutdown and stay on [37]. The phone could then be instructed to keep just the microphone on, in order to eavesdrop on conversations, or periodically send location pings. The only hint that the phone was still on was if it continued to feel warm even though it had been shut off, suggesting that the baseband processor was still running. IMSI catchers used by London’s Metropolitan Police are also reportedly able to shut down targeted phones remotely [38]."

    https://www.cis.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/EAS499Honors-IMSICatchersandMobileSecurity-V18F.pdf

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That's not a normal thing, but you're right. I can't rule it out. Some phones may stay connective when off. It may require someone to tamper with them beforehand; maybe remotely while they were still on.

    I read this patent at Google https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2680182A1/en and if it's not snakeoil, monitoring the power consumption of phone components seems like a good detection method.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't seem to be able to even disable it on this phone.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What app is providing this service for you?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a new feature in Android 16, but older phones don't have the hardware to support it.

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  • Even better, that means we can locate them.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That's fucking creepy, and I've got a feeling that we're going to see a lot more of this going forward, too.

    Are there any known ways to detect or interfere with Stingray devices? I know that in the US, police often use these devices illegally, without the necessary warrants, so sabotaging these devices is a just and moral decision.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago

    In the U.S. it's illegal to do anything that would interfere with these devices because it also cuts off emergency services. Sort of like using a hospital to store weapons during a war?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    well idk about morality if the police is trying to capture some pedo or drug distributor

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    What if it was to track an immigrant? Or a pregnant woman seeking an abortion? Or a peaceful protestor? Because those are real examples of this technology being used, as well. Where to you draw the line at when it is or isn't okay to become collateral damage in somebody else's petty power play?

    These Stingrays steal data from maybe 1 criminal per usage of the device, and hundreds of nearby innocent people. They are indiscriminate. And no, they don't just delete your data just because you're not relevant to their search; everything they gather on you will be kept, tagged, and stored indefinitely in multiple government agencies' databases.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's in Android 16 for the first time, which is what the Pixel 10 ships with, but older phones don't have the hardware: https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/android-os/android-16-can-tip-you-off-if-someone-is-snooping-on-you-using-stingray-devices

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    they only know your phone is there, not that it's you. they also need to triangulate your position to know it more exactly than "it's in range", which requires special hardware with an extra antenna

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    They can triangulate from the 8 readings that they did and know my location. They also know it's T-Mobile and they can subpoena T-Mobile and Google to get the information (the IMSI code will identify the dealer) to identify who bought the phone and what phone account pays for the service.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Really creepy.

    2G has been phased out on current US networks but is still in place on our phones. I wonder what steps they'll take to access our data when 2G is phased out on the phones themselves.

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