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[–] 31 points 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's pretty rare. I ran arch for years and my only issues were from AUR or trying to update extremely out of date machines.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've run arch for years as well. It happens nearly yearly. I've had updates break completely several times. Partial updates. That required significant manual intervention. Etc Etc Etc. Meanwhile my Debian and fedora systems haven't had a hitch in years.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've moved on to gentoo. All the customization and if something breaks I can be sure it's my fault.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I haven't installed gentoo in 20 years. I still like arch for it's glaring flaws. And I do like BSDs ports etc. I probably should go through a gentoo install again to see how it changed. Last time I ran it. Was on a first generation Pentium.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So THAT’S why it wasn’t working 😭😭😭😭

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh wow? You still suffering. In case you haven't found the solution. Uninstall VLC. Then reinstall all the VLC bits. Now instead of then all bring in one or two packages. There's tens of then now. MKV support had is own package even.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Really should keep that PPA use to a minimum. They're potentially a source of not just instability but possible malware as you're putting a lot of trust in whoever maintains that resource.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Absolutely. Ideally you should have zero PPAs. There’s definitely a cost for using this feature. Most commonly it comes in the form of instability when you end up with incompatible or broken packages because the maintainer wasn’t playing an active enough role. YMMV!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can set packages from a particular repo to a lower priority so that they are only installed when you expressly ask for them

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How does one do that, Wise Zorro?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration#Using_pinning

    The company I work for has a apt repo that both has some tools I like to install, but also maintains super new versions of certain libraries and kernels with configs that would break my laptop.

    So I have the priority set low enough that if a package exists in any other repo it it preferred over my companies version.

    Also sorry for the slow reply I forgot to check my messages 😄

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    When I use Debian/Ubuntu, I prefer installing missing/outdated software from Nix package manager or Flatpaks.

    This way, I can keep a stable core, while being able to enjoy all the latest versions of the apps that I need.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think Fedora's COPR carries on the torch, besides Arch's AUR. But generally, yeah, avoid PPA's like the plague. It's been garbage for years now. You'd be better off actually compiling the software yourself.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Break your system and it's broken.

    How unexpected!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

    Sauce

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    nix flake update
    nixos-rebuild --switch --flake .
    
    # Just to keep an update history
    git add flake.lock
    git commit -m "update"
    

    This may seem like too much work, but it guarantees an all-or-nothing procedure. If some package is broken, the entire upgrade process is canceled, and the system remains in the state that it was.

    I have had a couple of partial upgrade cases on Arch. It was not fun live booting to repair it, every time this happened.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've had updates fail on NixOS. A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs and the system wouldn't boot. Booting to a previous generation and reapplying the update fixed it.

    This is very rare, though, and unlike Arch can be fixed without a Live USB.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs

    This sounds like a bug on Nix configuration, or the kernel build process.

    If NixOS had caught the error, you wouldn't have gotten a faulty generation at all. This is different from pacman/apt/dnf, which will happily continue the upgrade, resulting in a broken system with no easy way to fix it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    ujust update

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I find debian more stable than arch, especially when updating.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Upgraded three systems to Debian 13 in the last few days. Went without a hitch. One Proxmox, one media server and player, one workstation.

    Wayland still doesn't work, but that's apparently because of the noVideo drivers.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    presses the big blue 'update' button in GNOME Software in Fedora

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you actually need - Syyu or is - Syu fine? I have only really used the latter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The only difference is that -Syyu forces the database to update

    To explain what database means in short, it tells pacman what packages are available in different repos (e.g. core, extra). In some rare cases, the time of the database update may be incorrectly marked, and pacman would not know there are new packages/versions. -Syyu should be used in this case.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Who the fuck still uses PPA?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Y u no pipe yes into apt 🙃

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