Not sure about Facebook, but Instagram will definitely ask you for a selfie if you sign-up using a VPN.
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Getting a burner phone and account and only tun it on when you want to check the messages is a good start. Do not use any of your real information.
When I left FB a decade ago they didn’t force a phone number for the messenger, thy basically just requested all possible permissions.
there is the fb Lite app, which is mainly for places without good Internet. That one is supposed to not do the same kind of tracking as the main app, at least when it's closed. I can't say the same for messenger though
It's been deprecated (if you're talking about Messenger Lite): https://www.howtogeek.com/facebooks-messenger-lite-app-is-leaving-android/
Good luck !
I've tried 3 time signin to facebook using fake ID, I always ended up ban after a fews days because of "suspicious activities" (probably because of VPN or PiHole). It require a videos selfy to validate I'm not a bot. I tried to create one using genAI but it didn't worked.
I always ended up ban after a fews days because of “suspicious activities” (probably because of VPN or PiHole)
I remember trying to make a fake account with friends for fun many years ago when we I learned about thispersondoesnotexist. Got ID-blocked within a few hours for sus acts, probably less because of the VPN and more because we started friend requesting dozens of strangers and set our birthplace to a food court.
Just out of interest: what's on FB messenger that makes all the things you are willing to do to circumvent the grubby data tentacles worth it? I'm just asking because I came to the conclusion not to use FB a while ago and I haven't looked back.
Just out of interest: what’s on FB messenger
It's the first line of the post ;)
Touché. If I were in your place I would still try and find another forum, even if you ended up giving all your data to Discord or something like that.
One of the reasons is adversarial policies. They will sniff out you're using a VPN and they will throw stuff at you. Oh, weird activity from your account. Oh, change your password. Oh, we need to get a proper ID from you. Unless you're getting $$$ betting info, it just doesn't seem worth the effort.
It's simple, don't use it, use alternatives, like Signal, PixelFed, Matrix, etc.. there are enough, even better alternatives out there. You can't mitigate privacy invasion in Zuckerbot sites, not even with VPN, with the sofisticated tracking and profiling systems they use, more now with AIs. I've blocked all Zuckerbot sites, even the accidental access to any of it's sites and services.

use alternatives, like Signal, [Fedi alteratives], Matrix, etc
I do. There are some social situations I want to be a part of where that's just not possible to demand.
It's a big problem with Facebook, even when you don't use it, when friends or family doing it, because FB access their Agenda, where are also your credencials (mail, phone, etc), adding that every content in FB is property of FB, even when the user finish his account, his contents (post, photos...) remains in FB. Because of this, it's always better to change the side of the street when you see Mr.Zuckerberg.
If you want to read any content, its better to use an front end, or like me, searchin it with Andisearch and let it summarize the content. So I don't need to access myself.
Don't. If the sport teams want to reach you, they gotta do it another way.
Have you tried a compartment app like hermit to launch the messenger dot com website?
Use Signal instead.
Or Graphene OS, second profile, VPN etc. But accept all chats, contacts, meta data or monitored. Sign up process using anon data is getting harder and harder, especially with phone number controls. The hard part isn't going to be running it, in a secure enclave, but signing up with anon data.
Those sports teams and events are using Facebook because they want your data.
Don't be absurd. Of course they only use it because of the network effect. If that's where their fans/customers are, then that's where they will communicate. You think they wouldn't communicate on mastodon if they had 3 billion users because they wouldn't be able to scrape data?
I am friends with the captains of these teams and the people running these events. I'm not talking about big 1000-person things. These are groups of a dozen people who get no money or monetizable data from it.
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