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[–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] [S] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The point of the lawsuit is essentially one: Mojang has a track record of being generally very non-trasparent with their ToS, which have hidden clauses and get regularly modified without notifying and (even less so) acquiring the consent of the customers, which is (according to the author of the video and his lawyers) an illegal practice under the European Consumer Protection Laws.

    More in detail, the whole argument stemmed from Mojang trying to stop this guy from publishing a mod that introduces guns in the game, backing their decision on terms and guidelines separate from the ones availabe on the website and actually kept secret from the public as an internal document.

    Another point of the video (and the actual main point of the Class Action) is the fact that Mojang used the same sneaky ToS update technique to secure the right of deleting accounts at its sole discretion with the aim of putting a deadline to the migration of Mojang Accounts to Microsoft ones, thus forcing EU customers to transfer their data from a European company to an American one under the fabricated threat of losing access to the game they purchased.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    thus forcing EU customers to transfer their data from a European company to an American one under the fabricated threat of losing access to the game they purchased.>

    Lol or be me and lose access to the game i purchased before the nerther was even announced, even though I migrated in time.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I watched a few minutes of it and finally got to it... If I got it right, the guy suing them wanted to make a mod with guns. Mojang said no and got it shut down. He's suing because he believes a company shouldn't have any say over how users might modify their games.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even the video description is too long and barely provides any information:


    Mojang broke the law, and after a lot of preparation and a successful crowdfunding campaign, we are now ready to proceed with the Minecraft Class Action Lawsuit.

    It's time to fight for our rights as consumers and ensure that Mojang can't restrict the way we are able to enjoy & play the game in a way that breaches our rights.

    !!! Class Action Lawsuit Participation Form !!!

    Google Form (US based form provider, data stored in the US with questionable protections / privacy): https://kianbrose.com/...

    Formbricks (EU based form provider, data is stored in EU jurisdiction with adequate protections): https://kianbrose.com/...

    Both forms are identical in content, the only thing that differs is the provider and thus in which jurisdiction the data is stored, where the EU provides significantly better protections than the US.

    !!! Mooooore !!!

    One of the questions that may arise is why we haven’t filed the lawsuit yet. In simple terms, class action lawsuits in Sweden function on an opt-in basis, which means that we cannot “automatically include” people without their explicit consent; where one of the objectives of this video is to collect the list of players that want to participate in order to proceed.

    Secondly, whereas most lawsuits tend to be rather simple in terms of what damage has occurred, given that Mojang has been breaking several laws for over a decade, there are lots of different damages that we could pursue where we will have to determine which one has the best supporting evidence and will lead to the desired outcome. This will be determined by segmenting the participation form submissions into groups (damage types) where our lawyer will decide which group moves forward.

    Another question that may arise is why it took 6 months to get to this point, which is mainly a combination of two factors: For one, the GoFundMe donations were not accessible for over a month, where I did not feel comfortable having talks with lawyers / law firms until I knew that we were in a position to start paying them for their work. Essentially, there were concerns about the funds possibly being subject to taxes (which in Sweden would’ve basically vaporized 50%) due to the possibility of the donations not qualifying as donations. Since I absolutely did not want to risk half of the funds getting vaporized due to taxes, I refused to withdraw them from GoFundMe until I’ve had sufficient talks with accountants to ensure that they would not get taxed and would be fully available for the legal process.

    After the taxation concerns were resolved and the funds were available for use, it took a long time to contact and talk with every single lawyer / law firm in Sweden that specialized in fields of law that were relevant to this case (consumer protection laws, contract law, data protection etc) to get a good view of what our options are where I could then pick what felt like the best option for representation. This was very difficult not only because I had to get responses from everyone, hold meetings etc, but also because I had the stress and responsibility of picking “who” the funds would be entrusted to, in other words who would represent us the best. And even though I’ve never had to do anything like this, after all the emails, calls and meetings I felt like Björn Persson and Conny Larsson from Singularity Law AB would represent us the best based on their expertise in the field, interest in the case and how we communicated throughout the meetings; and while there may be some concerns about the choice of not going for a gigantic law firm for example, I stand by my choice knowing that I personally risk bankruptcy should we lose which is not something I would risk if I didn’t feel comfortable with the choice.

    You can see their bar association registration here: https://www.advokatsam/... https://www.advokatsam/... https://www.advokatsam/...

    And finally, even though we estimate that we have sufficient funds to reach our desired outcome, we never know how things will turn out in the future which is why the GoFundMe page remains open should you want to contribute to what we’re fighting for: https://www.gofundme.c...

    As usual, I am always easily reachable through various platforms; announcements and progress updates are consistently posted through the lawsuit’s GoFundMe and Discord server and if you have any questions or concerns please reach out, I read everything.

    Lawsuit discord group:    / discord   Discord username: kianbrose Signal username: kian.11 Email: kianbrose@gmail.com or kianbrose@proton.me

    List of changes to our agreements: https://docs.google.co/...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not that it makes a difference, but was his mod for bedrock or java?

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Maybe I'm in a minority here, but geez... I find it super hard to watch videos that have constant cuts during the speaking like this. I'd much rather just have the video be 5 minutes longer and include the natural pauses.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Holy shit you are right. The constant spewing of words makes it really hard to comprehend and process because there is no place to naturally process the words. Having pauses in conversation allows for the listening to have a place to interject and ask questions. This is just downloading without saving.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Oh my god you guys weren't kidding. I thought "oh it's just the regular kind of fast cutting that YouTubers do", but this is something extraordinarily annoying. I can barely comprehend what's being said.

    The fact that he has a Swedish accent doesn't help either. I find it very annoying (very biased regarding that, admittedly).

    Gonna have to watch this on mute, because every fucking word being said it's written on the screen anyway. Just have to run it on 75–50% speed or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The ghost of ray william johnson plagues us still.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    Kian Brose made a pinned comment as t y he ws forced t J-cut ð engagement video ðs w𐑱.

    I personally prefer ðs type 𐑝 editing, but I’m aware it’s not popular. 🫡 SourceFed, Vine, Rogue Rocket, etc..

    Contractions used here:

    spoiler

    • t = to
    • y = why
    • ws = was
    • ð = the. ðs = this.
    • 𐑝 = for
    • w𐑱 = way
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Based on the username, I assume it's either auto-translated (with obvious problems) or it's a non-English keyboard and has problems with some characters as a result. Not throwing shade, just making an observation, for the record.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nope.

    In particular, it's a direct warning to Victor to emigrate instances.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Not sure why people down vote. 🫩 You are being very helpful. 🙏

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    From my comprehension, folks assume I’m Kian Brose, and that I made the lawsuit & j-cuts. Lemmy seems to be unable to separate messenger from source. Just because I enjoy a format of editing doesn't mean I approve of Kian’s method here.

    This won't deter me from mirroring lemmy posts from .world. I’m not here to convince folks of anything else than praying folks move away from the very close to fash instance.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    folks assume I’m Kian Brose

    Ah, odd. I also find people tend to down vote everything a person says after they have concluded that that person (for whatever reason) is "bad", even though what is being said is objectively helpful or at least not negative in any way.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    By the way, are these really J-cuts? I feel like this is some other kind of abomination. 🫣 It feels extremely choppy rather than smooth, which is what J-cuts are supposed to feel.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m willŋ t call it e-j-cuts, for “extreme j-cuts.” But j-cuts noneθless.

    Laughing at the fact lemmy users can't tolerate MAD.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It just doesn't feel like the audio from the next clip fades in before the visual cut, like a J-cut is supposed to do. It feels more like regular straight cuts.

    I don't think the intolerance of this type of editing is exclusive to Lemmy users though lol.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So, he's suing because Mojang didn't let him add guns to the game.

    I for one don't give much of a fuck. There's already a shit ton of games with guns. Guns are us! When it comes to games, guns guns guns! In fact, is there not ports of Minecraft, or similar games, with guns?

    He may be right on a technicality. And I don't care that much for Mojang. But to be frank, I also don't care if they tried to stop people from adding guns.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    inb4, more replies.

    I only crossposted to get away from .world. See my moderation log for how P.I.S.S. & LEA pro they are. Don't really want to partake discussing this.

    I rather be able to afford hosting my own luanti server.

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    [–] 69 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For the benefit of people that can't watch this horrible video:

    This is really about them being able to change the already extremely vague terms of service and you having no recourse other than voiding your purchase if you don't like it. There is some focus on a gun thing early on, but it's just an example where they flip-flopped multiple times over the years based on vague wording in the ToS that was changed after the fact. Commercial modded server owners were the main ones that had to make changes because of that rule, often taking guns away from players that had them, but it's generally enforced very inconsistently.

    But the main thing they're focusing on in the lawsuit is the mass deletion of legitimately bought Minecraft copies when they stopped Mojang account migration in 2023 (everyone that didn't migrate then no longer owns Minecraft according to Microsoft; no refunds). That, too, was effectively a one-sided ToS change. And to make matters worse, the old ToS had an explicit clause that you could keep playing the game in singleplayer even without agreeing to any new ToS.

    This lawsuit is being done in Sweden. I don't know if this kind of ToS/contract validity has actually been tested there before.

    I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed. "this was done due to retention purposes for the video to maximize spread potential". Yeeeaaaah. No. Checked reddit, it's downvoted to the negatives over form. Checked a different place that would be all over this, entire topic is discussing the form and there's not one mention of what it's about because nobody got that far. The exact kind of person that might take time out of their day to join a class action is not going to watch this garbage. I think it's good to have this tested, but I straight up don't trust this guy. Supposedly maximizing views while getting zero information through to anyone is not going to help the cause.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    i hope he wins the lawsuit (the forced migration with no refunds was very bad), but dammit that guy sounds insufferable.

    in the first video, one of his main motivators for starting the lawsuit, was that he made a server with guns, mojang made servers with guns against their eula, but just after this guy paid the 1000$ for the twitter gold checkmark on his server’s account…

    mojang making shitty eula decisions sucks, but is it grounds to sue? idk

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed.

    I actually sped up the video to 1.5X because there was no text article as an alternative...

    Is it really that bad? The point was pretty articulate to me.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Going to copy my post over from the original for anyone wondering why because the description does nothing to explain:

    I watched a few minutes of it and finally got to it... If I got it right, the guy suing them wanted to make a mod with guns. Mojang said no and got it shut down. He's suing because he believes a company shouldn't have any say over how users might modify their games.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Since they need permission, I can only assume they want to sell their mod on the bedrock marketplace. I thought Microsoft controlled that.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    there's 11 pages of results if you search "gun" through Modrinth, you're absolutely correct

    the marketplace is "curated" mods, if the guy wants to make paid mods that go against the "curation" he's gotta make a patreon or something, and handle his own marketing for it

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Seems a stupid thing to sue about. Microsoft has rules about the content you want to sell through them, the content they're essentially endorsing.

    That sounds reasonable.

    If you want to make something outside their content limits and you expect them to endorse it... Why? That's not how anything works.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Which was what was done with the weather mod. Mojang didn't like it because what people really want for weather mod is hurricanes, mojang don't like anything too destructive like that which you can kind of understand, you can't really do a normal playthrough with it on.

    It makes it a totally different game.

    But I don't think anyone really cared and I don't think it's had a particularly adverse effect on the mod developer, they've got plenty of backers I doubt there's any interest in suing mojang over it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Probably why he wanted to sue in the first place but the actual lawsuit is over deleting minecraft accounts that didn't migrate to Microsoft accounts. That restriction was not present in the original TOS, and seems to be illegal to change without the user accepting a new TOS (that isn't forced under threat of deleting what you own).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    He could install Luanti and mod to his heart's content.

    Like, legality aside, he's fighting to add value to a game whose publisher has tried to prevent him.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lmao, the way the video is cut made it impossible to watch, it's so bad. Why cut every pause between Words, that is probably a lot of work to make the video shitier.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Almost all YouTubers do it, especially video essayists and vloggers. I think they're cutting out anytime they pause or say "um" to keep the video going so there's not a lot of bullshit.

    But who actually knows, I'm just guessing.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    This is awful and stupid. Godspeed, plaintiffs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Huh. I think he’s got some good arguments. I wish him luck!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why can't children simply have something they enjoy without some fuckards trying to ruin it?

    Like minecraft doesn't need guns. Or blood. Or pedos. They got Roblox for that.

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