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[–] 45 points 1 year ago

So essentially what is happening, is the government is pointing at the sitting active and current acting president and said "Yeah, that guy's not with us".

And if anyone of trumps cultists finds out they'll blacklist anyone in government (or not in government) and say they need to pay.

Meanwhile, the people in government realize how destructive he is and trying to tiptoe around his actions while at the same time, trying not to let this country become the dumpster fire that it is becoming.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Fuckin' understatement!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Who would have thought.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    his cocaine/adderall addled brain, i doubt he can speak with any clarity. he probably confuses some reality and his thoughts as facts often.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Guy said we were buddies with Russia and Germany in WW2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpFRjVObMI

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Tony Soprano does the same thing…

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago

    It spells a lot like 'not fit for the Office's to me.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Jonathan Guynn, a Justice Department attorney, responded: “President Trump is a master messenger in many ways, but he also doesn’t speak with precision about things sometimes. And I think that this might be one of those situations where perhaps his comments were based on what he was recalling may have been the state of play previously.”

    Xinis was not convinced. “Isn’t it basic, isn’t it black letter law that the Executive Branch must speak with one voice?” she asked.

    “Right now, the administration is not speaking with one voice, and I’m not here to credit one versus the other,” she added. “If I can’t get that one voice — and you don’t give me details […] I don’t know what to do with that.

    Later on, Guynn said, “I can’t even necessarily comment on some of the statements that President Trump has made.”

    Sorry, fucking wut??? The comments of the actual President (sic) of the US are not reflective of the "government's" actual position...???

    😂 🤣 😂 🤣

    Then WTAF is he even there for? Why conducting "interviews" (phone or in-person) with foreign leaders? Why speaking to the press "formally"? Why conducting "government" business with "authority" of (what's left) of the Executive Branch?

    FFS. The mental gyrations these MAGAts go through to get what they want are so fantastical and convoluted as to be entirely unfathomable. Not surprising, given their untenable position(s). But certainly unfathomable.

    ( and, yes, I know he truly doesn't "speak with precision", he's a rambling idiotic buffoon, but that reality is being used purely to the MAGAts own benefit here and that is utterly and completely unconcionable )

    🤦‍♀️ 🙄 🤡 🖕 💩

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They don't use words to convey meaning or to express thought. Their words are chaff that they emit as one of many tactics to get what they want. So there's no reason to reason with them. It's not a debate, it's a power grab.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Sure but you all let him. Be pissy all you want every day. But if this was the right talking about Biden. They wouldn't just be online. They would have 10 brand new American owned company's selling stickers and books and social media influencers dedicated to just this one issue until every one understood what a tool he is. The left just bitch online but do nothing effective

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ya hear that everyone? Cancel the protests! We just gotta buy some bumper stickers and t-shirts, and Trump will be done for! Thank goodness Melvin figured it out, we'd be in real trouble otherwise!

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I mean they're in power, again, getting away with all kinds of crazy stuff because they have a ton of support

    While we do the same thing we've done every 3 years. But this time will be different everyone. This time.

    We're sending kids and elderly people into a situation that these authorities control, they trained for, we didn't. We're doing what they want us to do. It's fucking insanity that nobody sees this. We're just doing things wildly because that's what we do guys, we do protest and then...... Something? What is that something guys, what is it?

    A protest would be great if people were actually organized and figured out counter measures. Instead it's a chance to bust skulls, grow their budget, grab more power. In a few weeks the protesters will be bored and go home. The right will be far more powerful and have far more content to spread against the left. Content that further brings the average person to their side. We're going to contribute to them amassing so much more and we don't even know what the fucking thing is we want out of this.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Look, I don't completely disagree with you. IMO the only thing that's going to stop the fascists (without taking us into full blown war) is a general strike. And it's frustrating to see nothing but planned demonstrations, schedule to a specific day, and only for that day. A protest with a scheduled end time is a protest that's planned its own failure.

    But that's not what's happening in LA, and that's why the fascists are trying to put it down so hard. This thing is finally, organically, taking on a life of its own. Will it last? Does it have staying power? Who knows, but why discourage it? Why be cynical and reduce the chance that this time is different even further? You're literally the problem you just complained about.

    All of that said, I genuinely understand why you're cynical. All I can really say is that you gotta be the change you want to see in the world. I hate using a canned phrase like that but in this case it's deeply true.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm cynical because I think the left needs a big wake up call. We all talk about being critical thinkers and intelligent and they're dumb and we're smart. But we have lost everything the past few decades. I don't just mean politically. The Internet was seized by the right. All these channels. Influencers. They Sid Meier "Civ 6" culture bombed us while we were fucking around with our tech tree.

    I don't see how a protest does anything. They can ratchet up the aggression far quicker then we can. I fully believe the people yelling the loudest right now will be the first to go home when the risk increases.

    I'm hoping people do get mad at me. But then realize they're also cynical and doing the same shit with everything going on around them. We need to be more critical and we all need to be more cynical because maybe that might motivate change.

    There is better ways. Fight through culture. It's insane to think we're winning against armed trained thugs. We need to do what they did. They pay for these bots and influencers. We need to do it organically. Lemmy should be a generator of this stuff. Instead we're posting about beans and Ed Sheeran. Like I found a clip with Sam Seder the other day that was cool. Thought maybe I'd post it here. There's no fucking where to post that content. I can post headlines.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is this an "Alternative facts" thing, or a "he ain't all there" thing?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    "your Honor, we all know Trump lies. When his lips move that's when you know he's lying, it's common knowledge. It's really on you that you believed him. You can't hold him accountable for lying, it's actually your fault."

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    When one is a world leader, they have to understand exactly what they're talking about, and keep that position constant. This man doesn't. But his incompetence is well known and understood. What are we all going to do about it? Lemme tell y'all, protesting isn't going to stop anything. There's more of us than there are of them (being those with power), and the 2nd amendment exists. Do with that as you will, especially those that are severely depressed.

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    It's not warfare. It's assassination. Any gun can kill someone. No matter what he thinks, he's not bulletproof. It's suicidal to make the attempt. But the one to do it would be put in the history books as one of 5 people to kill a US president. I'd do it if I could honestly. Alas, I don't have access to transport, a weapon, or a good plan.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    and to what end?

    No seriously.

    You actually believe trump is the one calling the shots? he's a fucking patsy. do you have any idea how many patsies they currently have lined up? how many martyrs do you have ready to go?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    He's being influenced, obviously, but it seems that he's calling the shots. Otherwise, whoever "they" is, is rather indecisive. And it doesn't matter how many there are. There aren't 100 million.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    you don't have a 100 million martyrs willing to die to try and assassinate some one.

    Not even Hitler had that many assassination attempts. All ~42 of which failed.

    And by the way, it's not just your martyrs that are going to get fucked if they try it. You get that, right?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    We're already getting fucked. What do you propose?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Peaceful protests have been happening every week since he took office. And they’re the only thing that actually have a chance to change any of this.

    Either get a rifle and put your money where your mouth is so we can move on without out- and maybe your family survives your stupidity; or join us.

    But don’t fucking egg others into downing something you’re too cowardly to do.

    I hope you join us, it’s a waste otherwise.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    How have the protests helped so far? And I'm completely willing to do this, I just lack literally any of the means to do it. I don't expect most people to do this. But there's enough people with nothing left to lose, to do something. Anything. I don't like violence. But protests only work when the government cares about popularity and giving the people what they want. I'd like for peace to work. But there's either causing real interference, or waiting this out. I don't think many of us will be around unscathed by that point.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Peaceful protests have literally never solved anything of significance. Perhaps I'm ignorant to something, but if there has ever been a nationwide peaceful protest that has accomplished something, I'd love to hear it. I'd love to hear stories from non US nations as well if there are stories there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You never learned about the Civil Rights Movement? That was pretty fucking significant.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You think that the civil right movement was peaceful?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, that was mostly peaceful. Well, the MLK Jr. era part. Those worked because democrats wanted votes and knew they'd get them. Trump doesn't care.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was peaceful because the options were deal with MLK or deal with Malcolm X. Both were still killed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    MLK was certainly preferable for the government. Malcolm was murdered by the NOI though. I would've expected the government to have killed him by that point, no idea why he wasn't. Violence would've been reasonable. Killing Strom Thurmond could've only turned out well.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To win wars afterwards the united states military CANNOT blow up the people who feed it. Literally impossible for the military to win against the populace if they want to live a life after the war.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Who won the wars between the US and Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam? Was it the people with the bomber airplanes? Is the US winning the war against the Houthis?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you want to call them "victories", you can, I guess.

    Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam were all political wars without any clear military objective or purpose. They were basically unwinnable from the US side, and we "lost" because political pressure from the home front grew to the point where it was necessary to end the conflicts.

    Even if you disagree with that statement, 1.1 million Viet Cong and N. Vietnamese military personnel died, with another estimated 2 million civilian deaths on both sides of the Vietnamese war. Vietnam's infrastructure was absolutely destroyed.

    In the second Iraq war, its estimated at 260k-460k deaths; also with their infrastructure being absolutely destroyed.

    the Afghanistan war has similar numbers and similar a similar toll on infrastructure.

    For a more accurate depiction of what a second US civil war would look like I suggest looking at The Troubles in Ireland. Only it's going to be a lot more people killing their neighbors across a country with 360 million people. it will be a bloodbath, it will be awful, and it's going to be ended by the military bombing the everliving fuck out of whatever is still moving at the end.

    stop glorifying violence. It's not going to end the way you think it will.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Regarding the Troubles, it was a low-level civil war with the military involved with very limited rules of engagement. The UK military essentially served a police function, though it was institutionally biased in favor of the Unionists. There was no bombing, no artillery fire, none of that (though there were targeted assassinations, largely done by the UVF based on intel fed to them by the UK military). The UK establishment's goal was to contain the problem, not to eliminate it. The Good Friday accord came after a generation-long stalemate. So that's probably not a meaningful model of what might happen in the US.

    And people-power revolutions have occurred in many countries in the world, often without much violence (except for some perpetrated by the authoritarian states against their citizens, and even those tend to be limited). Many have succeeded. On the other hand, there have also been popular movements that have failed (for example, most of the Arab Spring revolutions). Even so, there is no reason to assume that resistance would inevitably lead to a Civil War 2.0 scenario. That would be a worst case; and considering that the pro-dictatorship faction is at most 40% of the population, and largely from the most economically irrelevant parts of the country, the most they could reasonably achieve would be unstable minority rule.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Trump spends his weekends on golf courses in the middle of high density populations. They're essentially impossible to actually secure. It would take a really good shot, but a .22 would have the range. On top of that, even Google maps has satellite pics of the course and surrounding area.

    Facing the US military head on is suicide, and the police have far more personnel. They're not even a worthwhile target to begin with. There's a reason the super wealthy like the Koche bro's or the Murdochs live on compounds in the middle of nowhere. The open empty space forces anyone going after them to get visibly close to their highly paid, and very effective, security teams.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Stop calling for violence please, it's what his administrations wants.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    They want meaningless violence that won't accomplish anything for us. This would do a little something. Vance is powerless. He has no cult of personality. He's a couch fucker. No one listens to him.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Lol trump goons gonna do what they want to do no matter what you do and blame Democrats no matter what. Long as the rich get richer and the bootlickers get their taste of boot. They keep pulling the orange voting handle. No matter the outcome till they breath their final breath of COVID thanking Trump and it's all just a conspiracy of every Dr and scientist in the world.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Nobody epitomises "talking shit" quite like Trump

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    He barely speaks identifiable English.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    He doesn't speak with coherence either.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    He doesn't speak coherently... PLEASE

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