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[–] 148 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Any recruiter that cold approaches me can fuck off

If that recruiter is trying to get me to kill people they need to fuck all the way off into the sea

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When I was 18 I had a Marine recruiter chase me down the street.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “You’ll still have to wear a bunch of shit in 96 degree weather. Occasionally you will still have to duck. ”

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In this country, you can do both!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    And not being able to return fire until boss says you can.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    In a country where you don't speak the language, and the locals at best distrust you, but more likely hate you. You're convinced that some of the locals are the same guys who are shooting at you from time to time, but you can't actually prove it. You can no longer ever feel safe, even when you're back home in the USA. With the advances in modern emergency medicine and combat casualty response, if you get shot or blown up overseas you have a decent chance of surviving. But, you might come home with fewer limbs, or having to shit into a bag strapped to your chest for the rest of your life. When you get out of the military, some people will constantly be thanking you for your service, but others will be calling you a baby killer, even if you spent the entire time in some random tent looking at a screen.

    You're legally required to follow the orders of whoever happens to be president at the time. Currently the secretary of Defence is a moron who used to be on Fox News. He got away with saying things on a Signal Chat that would have resulted in Court Martial if you'd done it. The way things are going, it's just a matter of time before the orders are to shoot at American civilians. Some of your squadmates have been raised by Fox News and Newsmax and are eager and excited to shoot at Americans. Others know that the kinds of Americans who will be targeted are the ones who look like them.

    But yeah, sounds like fun.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    35k nearly untaxed, plus government funded Healthcare, education, housing fund, plus potential for promotions if you're not completely incapable. Let's not lie, the US spends a stupid amount of money to make the military a better option than sign spinning.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    My son wanted to take the test but the Air Force recruiter told him that adhd disqualifies him and he won’t even allow him to take the asvab(entry test). He scored an 88% on the practice test. Honestly this is the best case scenario for me because now I can steer him towards a better path without looking like the bad guy. My family has served in every American war for over 200 years and I’m hoping we can finally break this cycle of trauma.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I didn't realise it disqualified him. Is that the same for all military roles?

    I've heard accounts from people talking about ADHD affecting their work when on active duty (like, literally on a patrol in Afghanistan).

    Obviously it's something I read on the internet, but I am curious.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    a diagnosis and previous medication used to be a straight up disqualifier. Over the past few years they’ve slackened that a bit, with some branches going to “unmedicated for a year” or a medical waiver. Ultimately the policies around mental health in recruiting are based around conceptions from the 70s, and given that diagnosis methods have moved on from then, now tending to catch a lot more mild cases, way more people are getting disqualified due to things that used to not be noticed. To be clear, a lot of people currently in the US military today have ADHD, but they weren’t diagnosed until after they were admitted except for very recent recruits.

    Part of the reluctance to recruit anyone with any mental health diagnosis is the long shadow of “project 100,000” aka “ McNamara's Folly”. Essentially a program where people who fell in to the bottom 10th percentile of testing on mental and physical were conscripted anyways to make up numbers during the Vietnam war. This lead to some pretty disastrous outcomes, with soldiers conscripted as part of this program dying at 3 times the normal rate. The movie forest gump touches on this a bit, but it kind of glosses over the real tragedy of it all nor the diversity of fucked up situations this created.

    The institutional memory of this has created a strong prejudice around any sort of mental health diagnosis in recruits, but again, this is in conflict with the fact that mental health is much less stigmatized these days, and much milder situations that were just ignored in the past are now diagnosed.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is from 2015, it's waaaaay worse now:

    The Shameful Way America Treats Its Veterans

    The number of homeless Vietnam veterans today is greater than the number of soldiers who died during the war

    Last year a CNN report showed that at least 40 veterans had died waiting for care at VA facilities in the Phoenix area; the scandal mushroomed when an internal audit found more than 120,000 veterans across the country were left waiting or never got care, even as VA employees were trained to manipulate wait time numbers internally. It’s a scandal that continues to sting. A report published Wednesday shows the VA doled out $142 million in performance bonuses in 2014, the same year it was being investigated for manipulating data. And last month Hillary Clinton came under fire for telling Rachel Maddow the problem has “not been as widespread as it has been made out to be.” (Her remarks stood in contrast to those made by former VA Secretary Eric Shinseki when he resigned last May: “I said when this situation began weeks to months ago that I thought the problem was limited and isolated because I believed that. I no longer believe it. It is systemic.”)

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-shameful-way-america-treats-its-veterans-52825/

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Specifically, because of the past six months. 2024 va was unimaginably better than 2015 va. 2025 va is falling apart at the seams due to Elon and Trump doing goddamn best to destroy the va and federal government in general.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    2024 VA was better? That's good to hear that it got a better.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    By miles, frankly. It had been on upward trend for a hot minute, actually. 2024 va had actually managed to change most of their issues into things that only sometimes happened, rather than things that were expected to happen most of the time.

    I can't speak for every va hospital, but the ones I went to actually had reasonable wait times for providers (compared to the average private hospital, they were better) and for compensation it was miles ahead of of where it was in 2015, which was also miles ahead of where it was in 2005.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    $35k is barely a poverty wage.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The pay is closer to $43k. The $35k is a signing bonus.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Plus you get food and board paid for so that's another early 12+K

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    IMO still way not worth it to end up working as the US’s Gestapo.

    No thanks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Military wouldn't be the equivalent to gestapo who were the secret police

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Gestures towards Washington DC

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Gestures towards Wermacht and SA

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm case you've been living under a rock the past few days, this is what I was referring to: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dc-home-rule-act-trump-puts-dc-police/story?id=124548993

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm just explaining that the military isn't equivalent to Gestapo, since Gestapo was the secret police. So you wouldn't be working for America's Gestapo if you joined the military.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The food does come out of your paycheck if you live on base, but it wasn't very much back when I was in. Granted the food was bad too lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    43k a year? That's almost 30% more than you'd get in the Netherlands for a minimum wage job where nobody shoots at you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So that US salary comes to €36k, €28k I assume you calculate your minimum wage to then? (28 + 30% would be 36.4)

    About the same here in the UK, kinda need a reason beyond the money if you are going to join because the money is shit for what you have to do.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    pfff only 35k and you don't get to wear a duck costume? get real army boy.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    A buddy of mine was leaning towards joining the military, and it was interacting with the recruiters and observing that they seemed miserable that changed his mind about it.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Their life seems to be worth more than 35k, who would have guessed?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Flip a sign or get shot at hmmm that’s a tough one

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I wish this was true and that it happened more often.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Chad sign spinner might have been a veteran too

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Patriotism = Military Industry Complex

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