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[–] 20 points 7 months ago (15 children)

We do have crosswalks in Europe, but they are more of a suggestion for pedestrians. Though a car driver is obligated to stop and give way for anyone trying to cross at a crosswalk or risks a fine if they don't stop. Of course cars don't have to give way to people crossing the "jaywalking" way.

Although there are places where the cars are second class citizens and everyone is more important than a car. Those places are bisically a pedestrian area where cars are allowed as humble guests.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    They have to avoid running someone over, so in effect they have to give way. In the UK, a pedestrian wanting to cross the road at a turning has priority (right of way) over cars turning into the road, but most car owners either don't know or don't care, and rarely stop.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    @abbadon420 @Venat0r In Germany and Spain (both countries with domestic auto industries - ahem auto-lobbyists :obey: ) jaywalking is illegal and you can get a fine, the Police (cunts) will fine you if you do it, and if someone ends up killing you, well, the Police favour the car drive (of course they do) and the worst Auto murders get is a 3 year driving ban. Germany is car-brained :(#CarBrain #AutoLobbyismus #ThePoliceAreNotYourFriends

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    @frechdachs When did jaywalking become illegal in Germany??? I don't think it is. Can you point me to the corresponding § in the StVO?@abbadon420 @Venat0r

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    @47363 @abbadon420 @Venat0r § 7 (4) of the German Road Traffic Regulations (StVO) makes crossing at a red light a fine, other parts suggest if you endanger traffic by not crossing near a designed crossing can be punishable. Anecdotally, I have been stopped by police for cycling though a (cycle+pedestrian) crossing just after the lights changed. And I know of this happening to people walking as well

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    @frechdachs I see you're using a different interpretation of jaywalking from mine (crossing the street [almost] where ever you want).@abbadon420 @Venat0r

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    @47363 @abbadon420 @Venat0r The StVO makes crossing the street anywhere else when a designated crossing is nearby is technically a violation. Depending on how much work the "almost" where you want, means in your definition, it sounds similar. I'm not sure what your point is though.Do you not think traffic regulations lean in favour of cars in Germany?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    @frechdachs If regulations (or the handling of violations) favour cars is a whole different question from whether jaywalking is illegal.@abbadon420 @Venat0r

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    @47363 @abbadon420 @Venat0r Ok, well if you want to be nitpicky. The regulation doesn't define jaywalking, rather § 7 (4) makes it de facto the case, however it allows for crossing when there are no crossings nearby, which would mean it is not in all cases a violation.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    I've never bothered reading your shitty law but cross the road in front of a cop and you'll see.

    You Germans are really the USians of Europe: god forbid anyone criticises the land of the Übermenschen

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    In my country (Cyprus) you're technically supposed to use the crosswalks as a pedestrian (in classic Mediterranean fashion, no one really does, or rather doesnt care about that particular rule), but theres an order of priority for right-of-way that goes as such:

    Pedestrian > Bicycle > Car/Truck

    So even if not at a crosswalk, if a car or bicycle hits a pedestrian, its the car's fault, pretty much automatically. Makes sense in terms of children playing in smaller streets in front of their homes.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    jaywalking is not illegal in Europe

    It's illegal to walk on motorways in the UK. I suspect that's true in other European countries too. But except for that, in UK cities and towns, a pedestrian can cross the street whenever it's safe to do so. And the carnage that would result of the US did that doesn't happen here. It's just another case where Americans allow themselves to be micromanaged in ways that seem bizarre to the rest of the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The other day, I almost got hit while crossing in a crosswalk, while the walk sign was lighted and all cars were stopped at all way red. It was ok though, that’s just bmw priority rules (and no, she also didn’t signal before turning left to go through a red light)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    In Italy it's not illegal, but if you have a pedestrian crossing at less than 100m away and you don't use it, police could give you a fine, but they rarely do it anyway, they just warn you or don't even care.

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