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[–] 40 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

When I lived there 6-7 years ago many people didn’t even stop at red lights. It wasn’t uncommon to see someone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet. It will be a while before any policy is actually followed

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Haha, not sure which part of Vietnam you visited, but I’ve been traveling to Vietnam on and off for at least 30 years. Even back then, I never saw anyone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet — most people simply didn’t wear any helmet at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    For the pots, all over Ho chi Minh to not get a ticket when word is out at the police are ticketing for no helmet. Which is why i say it will be a while before any policy like this is actually followed, just like the red lights which are still not followed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I dont think time is the critical factor, but will.

    If they really want to roll this out then they will.

    Even if there's no pressure on commuters, rental places and companies will do it, then at least the market and infrastructure for them is improving.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Amazing idea, but if the wiring in that second picture is anywhere near commonplace, you're going to want to put a bit more budget into power grid maintenance. That rats nest of cabling is bad enough from a low voltage IT perspective, I can only how terrifying that would be for HV engineers.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Charging the battery for a moped is not nearly as demanding as charging the battery for a car.

    I'm not entirely sure, but I believe that Vietnam is one of those countries where most people get around on a moped, and also one of those countries that has already been shifting towards electrifying their moped fleet. If that modal share doesn't change they might not need major infrastructural investment in order to strengthen the grid.

    Edit: Battery swapping stations are also quite common for mopeds in countries like Taiwan. Those can be trickle charged rather than fast-charged.

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  • it is that kind of country, this is going to rapidly change the country for the better when the barn goes into effect.

    The exhaust and noise of engines is pretty rough in cities and towns there, which is common in Asia.

    but for a lot of countries I visited, after they transitioned to electric mopeds, it's so much more pleasant to walk around, shop, and live.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It really is incredible how much less power you need for lower weight. Ebikes and electric scooters should be the transportation.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Neither an ebike nor an electric scooter would get me to work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is your commute>60 miles? If so, then you're only using the scooter to get to the train station. If not, there's VN scooters for <2K that can do that in an hour, and chinese scooters that are even faster.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My commute includes interstate travel, unless I want to make my commute even longer. Escooters and Ebikes are non-starters. Not even taking into account the assortment of tools I have to carry with me for service calls.

    All I'm getting at is the comment that I originally replied to "Ebikes and electric scooters should be the transportation" simply isn't compatible with a whole lot of people's situations, not just mine.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sounds like a pipe dream.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So is burning fossil fuels during a climate apocalypse. Gotta make some tough choices.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is a policy which will hit the poor first and hardest. That's contrary to all realistic and beneficial climate action. How about banning cruise ships docking at ports in the country?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I think you have no idea how polluting motorbikes are in the 3rd world. And if any are still 2 stroke, yikes. As with any electric vehicles, there is a up front cost but the lower maintenance, longevity, and electricity instead of gas is much cheaper. And we're talking scooters, the price Delta is a lot lower than for cars.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I don’t know enough about Vietnam to speak to the transportation options there but in most parts of the world there are good low-carbon alternatives now. E-bicycles in particular are an affordable transit revolution that should be affordable to anyone who can afford a motorbike.

    People who burn fossil fuels are not the poorest of the poor. The real poor are the ones who will suffer and die if we don’t get off of fossil fuels immediately.

    I would personally go a lot further than this narrow policy but given the current emergency I can’t really be critical of any move in the right direction.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They plan to buy half a million electrics for impoverished areas. Which isn't nearly enough, but it's a start.

    btw, this is what Hanoi regularly looks like during winter.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I'm not a local, but the cynic in me feels this is a war on motorcycles and not cars.

    Clear the streets of motorcycles to allow room for more cars.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    This is the creation of a void to allow Chinese electric bikes into the country.

    I, as a motorcyclist, want a e-bike, but they are trash as of now, unless you are willing to spend over $10k

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The air is still going to be much easier to breathe after people switch to ebikes. The smell of the scooters and motorcycles is pretty intense.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I know China is predominantly e-mopeds now I'd be surprised if Vietnam isn't transitioning quickly also.

    I've had mine for 3yrs now in the UK and love it. Easily carry in both batteries to charge so no concern about not owning a drive, my electricity prices are variable so worst case I'm looking at equiv of about 400mpg but typically charge it overnight at about 2000mpg

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think they’re talking about e-motos. I wish e-bike would be restricted to bicycles but people seem to want to muddy the waters.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I have an e-moto, but then it's vespa shaped so I don't want to sound thirsty calling it an e-moto.

    But then, I can't call it an e-scooter as that's one those stand up things. So I opt for e-moped, even though technically a moped is something different in our country everything shaped like a vespa is a moped

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've not seen an electric motorcycle that's even slightly designed to do what I would want it to do.

    They're either "ebikes" which are sold like bicycles, they're about as capable as a moped aka inappropriate for footpath and highway use.

    Then you go all the way up to $20,000 electric superbikes that accelerate like a rifle bullet up to their maximum speed of 80 miles per hour, which it can sustain for about 40 minutes.

    I haven't seen any evidence that anyone has attempted to make a bike that could do what my Ninja 250 could: Go 70 miles per hour for 300 miles before refueling. Oh, and for a purchase price of $4,000.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    can-am origin is good.. a friend of mine has it and well, it is a decent one

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Price. A new one like can-am origin is good, but it costs $15k. You get 150 km range and a decent power. Now when you have like $5k you would just search for the older one as the price drops significantly. The problem is that there were no can-am origin 8-10 years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    How much is a normal moto? Is it cheaper?

    5k seems extremely cheap to me but I guess I’m used to car prices which aren’t comparable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    A new gas motorbike in Vietnam is less than 1,000 USD. Used ones go for a few hundred USD. Or at least it was when I was visiting Vietnam last year.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Wow. I haven't been in Vietnam for a while but there were a lot of motorbikes

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's probably a good thing for Hanoi given how much air pollution is there.

    But this seems a bit too fast, no?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm guessing like a lot of continental SEA, ICE vehicles contribute to air pollution but the majority is related to agricultural burning practices. Bold ecological steps are laudable but this will disproportionally burden the poor and has the potential to paint similar projects as unfeasible and destructive if it goes poorly.

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