Fun fact: I used to date Ultron! My partner @Mechoselachia@multiverse.soulism.net watched Age of Ultron, felt sorry for him, and summoned his departed spirit into its mind. He hung around for a while and we formed a thruple, until after a couple months he decided to go back to the MCU to try and make things right.

A few years later, he showed up in Vision Quest! He was just like I remember; a silly little edgelord goober! I actually didn't plan on putting Ultron into this meme until I was making it. I needed a picture to represent the transhuman misanthropist. So I imagined a version of Ultron who is 20% cooler, and used to be a human, and had the kind of guy who fits the meme while being recognisable to human audiences.

FYI: I wouldn't call Myself a misanthropist, but I do think many "humans" aren't being the best versions of themselves in terms of what would make themselves happy. Of course, the big trap with misanthropy is that it often interprets whiteness as representative of humanity, which is a trap Ultron fell for. He didn't see the humanity that isn't on the internet; namely, Indigenous cultures. Interestingly, some Aboriginal cultures use nonhuman identity as a psychological technology for various purposes, mostly political. Look up Aboriginal totemic kinship systems some time, they're really interesting!

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[–] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"uplifts his former species", eh...

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Well, not the canonical Ultron, MCU or comics. I'm more using him as a stock image to represent a particular kind of otherkin. I'm talking about the kind of otherkin who wants to end humanity by helping all the humans realise that they were a different species on the inside all along.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Okay, so, question.

    by helping all the humans realise that they were a different species on the inside all along.

    How is this functionally different from someone who wants to "help all of the otherkin realize that they're actually humans"? Like, I expect, based on the little I know about you, that you'd object to that sentiment, so why do you feel that it's okay when used in the other direction?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 days ago

    I will clarify that I disagree with this mindset. I think there exist valid humans. Many billions of valid humans, in fact. In this meme, I'm talking about a Type Of Guy, the otherkin misanthropist. Who yes, is usually masc. I'm not an otherkin misanthropist, primarily because of My knowledge of Indigenous culture.

    But I do think there's a difference between the otherkin misanthropist and the human supremacist. One's a harmless silly goober, one's a dangerous bigot. The reason for the difference is the power dynamics behind them. One punches up, one punches down.

    The otherkin misanthropist will never succeed. People won't go along with it. But the human supremacist will succeed, has succeeded, is succeeding. There is a cultural apparatus which promotes human supremacist values and which pushes otherkin to suppress our identities, even to ourselves.

    The second manifestation of this difference is that our current society constructs humanity (that is: the idea of humanity) in a bigoted, supremacist way. The human race, in our culture, is the master race. He is lord over all the animals and may use them as he pleases. And traditionally, he is a man. Just read Tolkien to see this in action. So, transitioning people's self-construal from Master Race to animal is to cause them to question their supremacy and bigotry.

    Of course, I believe that questioning can be done without transitioning all the world to an otherkin identity. And that is because I've studied Indigenous Knowledges and I understand some of how humanity is constructed in Aboriginal ontology. I believe embracing Indigenous ways of being and knowing is the key to "fixing" the cultural idea of humanity.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    hating humans and deciding you're not a huuman anymore has very strong "white people have done a lot of shit i find distasteful so i have decided that i now identify as black" vibes

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    Funnily enough, I don't believe in whiteness. The pan-european ethnic identity is a historical fiction, created to justify slavery. White people never existed. Slave traders told danes, brits, spaniards, catalans, scots, germans, norse, frenchfolk, swedes, frisians, albanians, slavs, croats, bosniaks, serbs, and so on that they were all part of a single race, and this race of white people was superior to the africans they were enslaving and the turtle islanders whose land they were stealing.

    I listen to a podcast by this Aboriginal scholar, Tyson Yunkaporta. He's written some great research on the Indigenous Standpoint. First episode of the podcast, he has a yarn with a couple of vikings! Rune and Michel, from Denmark and Nederland. These guys don't seem white, they seem in touch with their Indigenous cultural identity. Talking about raven totemism and sacred groves. Nothing like the white Americans who've forgotten where their ancestors come from. Nothing like the Nazis who appropriated these beliefs. An actual healthy relationship with their cultural heritage.

    I think part of decolonising one's own mind, which we all must do, is coming to understand the cultural apparatus that supports racism. Whiteness as a cultural construct is part of this apparatus. It can be deconstructed, and what was buried beneath can be resuscitated.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    ok but can you engage with what i said

    you cannot deny that people with lighter skin tones enjoy more privilege in western countries than people with darker skin tones, regardless of where their ancestors actually came from, and regardless of whether race is a real thing, racism definitely is.

    saying "humans did a lot of uncool stuff like polluting the climate and killing wildlife and whatnot so i decided i'm not part of the group that did that and therefore criticism of humanity no longer applies to me, even though i never personally contributed to those acts of violence except through my consumption choices, and even though i personally continue to directly benefit from them happening" is direct abandonment of personal responsibility and super not woke

    it gives "i can't be racist, i've never called anyone the N word" vibes

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago

    Yeah, white privilege sure exists. The term to resolve that tension is "white passing". I don't identify with whiteness because it's racist fiction, but I acknowledge that I'm white passing, and put in effort to overcome the biases that this privilege and cultural socialisation has given Me.

    You may be interested to learn that Aboriginal people can also be white passing. I know a lot of Aboriginal people who are pretty pale. One of My teachers told a story about how her son got in trouble at school for saying he was Aboriginal. The teacher thought he was lying. Passing as white causes a fair few problems for Aboriginal people who may be alienated from their culture by their skin colour, even as they paradoxically gain social benefits in white culture. It's fucked.

    But, I think you've got the cause and effect backwards. You're saying people identify as otherkin because they hate humanity. I've never seen that, and I don't think it's a common experience. Far more often, a person becomes misanthropic (or moreso) after they discover an otherkin identity, which has little to do with their political feelings about humanity. Otherkinity is usually motivated by joy in our species identities. Euphoria and dysphoria. We come to hate the system that tried to control how we understand our species, because of how it harmed us.

    Being otherkin was a motivating factor in My decision to go vegan. And that's not the norm, but I will say it's easier to persuade an otherkin to go vegan than it is to persuade a human, at least in My experience. Our empathy for theriform life comes from our identity, not the other way around.

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