Currently, anyone who uses a television to watch content must pay the licence fee even if they do not watch the BBC. Under the proposed changes it would be expanded to cover all other online providers, such as Netflix, Amazon, Disney+, YouTube, which are currently exempt.

The Whitehall source explained that the move was “because people are able to use them to avoid paying currently”. They added: “It’s not fair that people are essentially able to watch television content but avoid the licence fee.”

Why would the BBC be allowed to collect money on services it does not provide? This is basically saying "everyone must pay this fee, or unplug their internet".

At that point, you might as well just take it from the government budget.

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[–] 56 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Hear me out: an eye license. If a person has eyes, there's a chance that they might be using them to consume some sort of video entertainment. And in that case, they clearly owe the BBC some money.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Its such a fundamentally stupid funding model. They really just need to get serious about how they plan to fund a national broadcaster in the 21st century - in the meantime I don't see how they have any credibity to pressure people into paying it

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    At what point does the definition of "television content" stop? If independently produced and self-published video on YouTube counts, then what about videos on other social platforms? What about video on other sites? Does any HTML/webdav video stream count as "television content" now?

    I'm not trying to invoke the "slippery slope" fallacy, but this stuff needs to be defined well in any applicable law, and if past and recent laws made about the internet in the UK are anything to go by, it absolutely won't be...

    So, here's a better idea: how about instead of trying to charge people for watching YouTube, we tax the multi-trillion usd global mega corporation that owns it

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    This'll go down like a paper bag of vomit in a sauna.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    As a vocal supporter of the BBC (yes even with all it's many, many flaws) and am in favour in principal of the license fee, I don't think this is an appropriate way to fill the black hole in their finances.

    It should in fact just become part of general taxation as that's the only way to make it fair. Even if you don't consume their content, it provides a national service, it projects soft power abroad, it's a primary news source for more than half a billion people and if that's worth anything (in my view it is) then it should come out of the central budget.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Personally I actually think this is more reasonable. If you're going to go as far as to charge everyone for it, you might as well do it means-based and have to compete with other funding.

    The only problem with this is it potentially gives less independence from the government, which means that they will become even less critical of their agenda, and may lose more credibility.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The top two layers are literally stacked with Tories, it's already biased as hell (I've posted peer reviewed papers on here previously that's fact not opinion).

    Changing the funding model doesn't affect that.

    Changes to remove overt bias can be done regardless of funding.

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  • And further to that I note an article in today's Guardian referencing a Reuters article (I'll dig that out and update with it if I can find it)

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/oct/16/uk-outlier-europe-farage-politicians-present-tv-shows-gb-news

    "However, an international study has confirmed that the UK’s decision to allow politicians to present such shows is highly unusual across Europe. In 35 of the 37 European nations studied, regulators found no recent examples of serving politicians presenting news or current affairs programmes"

    "The study, by an academic from the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism for the Demos thinktank, will be used as evidence by critics who believe that Ofcom, Britain’s media regulator, has failed to protect impartiality by allowing the politician-led shows."

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    As a vocal critic of the BBC, it should be defunded. It projects transphobic and zionist propaganda internationally, through heavily biased and manipulative reporting.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    That's mostly BBC news to be fair. Wouldn't a change in management be just as effective at tackling those problems? Genuine question. The BBC used to be a left wing bastion.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Zionism yes, the trans and queerphobia is across it all. They’re cancelling lots of LGBT content, censoring t-shirts, doing JK Rowling documentaries, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Cancelling lots of LGBT content

    The production company that owns Drag Race decided they wanted to vastly increase the tariff in the next contract despite the BBC having to find half a billion in savings. The show now moves to that production company’s own streaming service. This is the story often when the BBC commissions a hit show from an indie - look at Bake-off as an example.

    However, the production company (which specialises on the LGBT market) and a few others decided to make a fuss in their own interest about it because of course they would. Fact is, the BBC is cancelling a lot of content across the board, including relatively inexpensive things like You and Yours. Even the Archers is having severe budget cuts.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    If thats the case then, those streaming platforms should be free for the UK. They can use the TV licence to fund those subscriptions.

    I thankfully use none of those services anyway.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Why would the BBC be allowed to collect money on services it does not provide? This is basically saying "everyone must pay this fee, or unplug their internet".

    I think that it's because the BBC puts content on YouTube (and I assume either doesn't have ads enabled or wants more money than they generate).

    I guess I could understand someone saying "well, with TV, I have to watch British broadcast or cable stations, and with YouTube, I don't, but I'd think that the same would apply to TVs using satellite receivers, and I assume—though I don't know, don't live in the UK—that satellite TV users are also subject to the license fee.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    More fool them if they don't have ads on their own content

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They are prohibited from running advertising on any BBC-branded service within the UK.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    We used to have that in Denmark too, even if you only had a mobile phone you’d have to pay, bEcAuSe InTeRnEt AcCeSs. but now “Danmarks Radio” is funded over the income tax.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    But I don't want to watch their content, regardless of whether I'm able to or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    then you're funding a valuable public service to others, that provides not only the news, weather, and eastenders, but also a host of revision tooling for students of all ages, language services, a public information broadcast point in case of national disaster, and so on. It's not just about you and what you do or do not wish to watch. If you drive a car, a portion of the tax you pay still goes towards public transport services.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    This was going to be my answer but it apparently already is, officially, a tax.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I was using it as shorthand for "make it mandatory". If I'm going to be forced to pay then I don't want the pretence of choice, and it'd mean we could eliminate those TV Licensing arseholes too.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    I agree fully.

    If you're charging for BBC services then charge for that, if you want to tax tv based entertainment, then be honest.

    This "how do we word it so we can effectively tax everyone, but don't have to admit that's what we want" approach is bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's very specifically about what an individual does and does not wish to watch, because it only applies in certain circumstances. If it wasn't about that, everyone would have to pay it regardless of usage.

    Much like car tax is about whether or not a person drives a car.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I wasn't referring to road tax, I was referring to income tax. just because I drive a car, I cannot (and should not) be able to reclaim the proportion of tax I pay that is put towards public transport infrastructure.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    then you’re funding a valuable public service to others, that provides not only the news, weather, and eastenders, but also a host of revision tooling for students of all ages, language services, a public information broadcast point in case of national disaster, and so on. It’s not just about you and what you do or do not wish to watch. If you drive a car, a portion of the tax you pay still goes towards public transport services.

    Genuine question, which part of this is referring to income tax?

    The only tax reference i'm seeing is the one that specifically prefaces it with "if you drive a car".

    Another genuine question, i'm not seeing how

    just because I drive a car, I cannot (and should not) be able to reclaim the proportion of tax I pay that is put towards public transport infrastructure.

    Relates to anything in my reply.

    Not looking for a fight , it seems i'm legitimately missing something important here.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I was extremely unclear.

    When I gave the example of VED, the premise I was trying to demonstrate is that even if one drives a vehicle and pays their VED, a proportion of the income tax they pay still goes toward funding public transport services. Even if they're not using them (which they can demonstrate by showing their VED status), they are still required to support those services.

    The "Public Broadcasting" tax idea that I support works in the same way. Even if I don't want to watch anything created by the BBC, the BBC still provides a vast swathe of information that is helpful to the general public. Even if I'm not directly benefiting from it, I should still contribute, in some small fashion, toward the upkeep thereof. Income tax is the primary source of this kind of public funding.

    Although I'm not quite sure why I said "I'm wasn't referring to road tax". I think I was trying to make the assertion that this shouldn't be an optional thing in a super roundabout fashion.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    Ah, that makes sense, so that bring me back to another reply i posted at the start.

    It’s very specifically about what an individual does and does not wish to watch,** because it only applies in certain circumstances**. If it wasn’t about that, everyone would have to pay it regardless of usage.

    It only applies in certain circumstances, because that's how it was implemented.

    If a public broadcasting tax is what they want, then they should introduce it that way, not a slow creep of additional conditions and charges like some shitty subscription service .

    It makes it look like they are too cowardly to just make it a universal mandatory tax.

    The tax idea you suggest is a reasonable approach, but it isn't how it currently works, which is why i was saying that it's very specifically about if the individual meets the criteria that exist right now.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Remember the scare stories of the TV licence vans

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Except they did actually exist and did actually work.
    https://youtu.be/U8mSHKsyWDw

    Well, for analog CRTs

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, all the info in that video is super sketchy, the em interference signal it refers to would be detectable within a few inches at most with today's technology

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Uh huh.

    Mate, I can hear the squealing whine of a flyback transformer through brick walls with my own ears. I DO NOT miss the days when everyone had two or three of the fucking things screaming away all day.

    Detecting the magnetic flux those things produce isn't magic, tricky, or a cover-up. It just requires a sensitive antenna array tuned to the right frequency.

    Now, since the shift to flat panel displays a TV doesn't announce it's presence in such an obvious fashion. This makes detecting a TV a much more difficult prospect, arguably not impossible, but not likely within their budget nowadays.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    At that point fold it as you've lost the point of it existing. I was lucky enough to grow up in Prime BBC times when they worked with industry to help education thrive. Where is the BBC micro movement for this generation and the shows to match oh no they'd rather try to be Netflix.

    You're a public service first and foremost then a world service, then you can start thinking like a traditional corpo.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Im not paying for Zionist propaganda

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