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[–] 7 points 4 weeks ago

We need UBI, rent controls, price controls and probably 100 other things to protect us from the ripple effect these techs are going to have on employment. On its face, there is nothing wrong with a robots doing certain tasks, its menial work and we should be automating those things for the betterment of mankind, but en-masse there will be less jobs available and this will lead to trajedy in a lot of communities.

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    [–] 6 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    I don't expect that evolution to come from the (current) US culture, but what we all need to invent, especially here on slrpnk.net, is a post-labor society. Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs.

    Depending on how fast we imagine it as an utopia, we lower it chances to become a neo-feudeal dystopia.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    How much that people buy is really necessary? Reducing demand also reduces labour requirement. We could probably be most of the way there today just by changing what we value.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Consumption and desire-driven, constrained more by ressources usage than by labor costs.

    Have you looked around? Capitalism is creating desire and fueling consumption wherever it can. We are limited by resource usage and seeing the consequences of it. Going all in on an consumption- and especially desire-driven economy sounds horrible. That's definitely not the solarpunk way. Or if it is, I'm in the wrong place.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I do tend to differentiate artificially engineered desires and real ones.

    We are not being limited by resources usage in any tangible way before it is too late. Fuel will be affordable until it becomes basically unavailable. Our only current rationing mechanism right now is market prices.

    And I don't know about you, but labor cost in my branch is the main constraint telling how much I get paid and how much I can afford.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    If you differentiate engineered desires and "real" ones then "need" might be a better word.

    And there are different aspects of being limited by resources, not just financial cost. One of the reasons we have all the ecological problems right now is because we ignore the environmental impacts of our resource usage. Your fuel example is on point - oil and gas are still way too cheap compared to the damage they do to the environment. So when we follow your proposal of trying to form a society that aims to be constrained by resources, then I'd say we are already there. We couldn't have done much better. It's just not being constrained by availability, but by the consequences of our usage.

    However, there are even a few examples where we are starting to be constrained by actual resource availability, from the top of my head sand for concrete and copper come up.

    I hope the idea of solarpunk is trying to keep the planet in a livable state.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 weeks ago

    Automation is NOT an issue, by that logic we should all be outside tending fields and crops

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    [–] 13 points 4 weeks ago*

    Slavery. That's the point. You are simply fuel for the exploitation machine. Homelessness is criminalized, so you'll be put into a for profit prison when you can't find a job and forced into manual labor.

    Meanwhile, billionaires escape to their tropical island bunkers and ride out the climate collapse in the ultimate "fuck you, got mine'."

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  • [–] 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Pour out a piss bottle for the human workers who will be fired because of this, and prepare for those empty piss bottles to be filled with oil as the robots leak into them after being worked through their breaks.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 weeks ago

    First largest is Walmart, in case anyone else was curious

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago

    I've taken the tour. The whole warehouse saces money by having all the lights off. The bots literally comes out of the darkness to deliver products to where the people grab each product from several of those boxes to then deliver the products to the trucks. The packagers just grab from the specific bot shelves and put into cardboard boxes of the right size. That's all they do for an eternity.

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