Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney on Monday urged Alberta to remain in Canada, warning that a vote next week on whether to hold a referendum on leaving Canada would begin a “long and uncertain process” at a dangerous time for the country.

“This year, Thanksgiving is a bit different,” Carney said in a holiday message to Canadians. “A week from today, Albertans will have the opportunity to make an important decision about their future, whether to remain part of Canada or begin a long and uncertain process through which Alberta could separate from Canada.”

Canada celebrates Thanksgiving in October, unlike the U.S., where it falls in late November.

The Oct. 19 vote asks Albertans whether the province should remain in Canada or begin the process of holding a referendum on separation.

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[–] 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I've never even seen any arguments for why this is a good idea. The posters are just "Send Ottawa A Message" (what is the message supposed to be? Why would you care about that if you think Alberta would just be better on its own?) and "Quebec got to vote, why can't we?". This one just seems like it was written by a toddler.

No reasons to actually separate. Such a stupid waste of money.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm looking at this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism

    and all I see is: disinformation by foreign actors and the majority of people polled are opposed.

    So, a loud minority fueled by bullshit they read online has triggered a vote? They are being given the freedom to vote on leaving Canada. The message Ottawa will get is: we're not all that stupid, like, maybe a quarter of us are...

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    They're not even voting about leaving Canada, they're voting on having a vote to leave. There is a law called the Clarity Act that was passed in the wake of the 1995 Québec Independence referendum that places strict requirements on Independence questions. Since the original question didn't meet those requirements, the Premier of Alberta put a different, more weasely (but more legal) question on the ballot instead.

    The loud minority is the same loud minority that was responsible for the "Freedom" convoy in 2022 and the Alberta "yellow vest" movement. Note that the only thing the Alberta yellow vests had in common with the French yellow vests was the colour of their vests.

    All the leaders of the Alberta separatist movement are grifters, racists, lunatics, or some combination thereof. They all belong in prison.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    All the leaders of the Alberta separatist movement are grifters, racists, lunatics, or some combination thereof. They all belong in prison.

    This is exactly what it looks like as an outsider looking in.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Other countries, including the United States, will divide and conquer until the imbalance of power is sufficient for them to get what they want from what was once Canada, at a reduced cost.

    The Canadian federation is not perfect. Nothing is. But in the long run, ever smaller fragments of Canada will be less powerful than an intact Canada with an improved federal government. So, unless the separatists can demonstrate that improvement to the federation is impossible or sufficiently improbable, I think they are proposing a solution to immediate problems that is detrimental in the long term.

    It may be less beneficial to some short term interests, but I think in the long term it will be better to keep Canada together and work on improvements to the federation.

    Follow the money. Who stands to gain from a divided Canada? How will those gains be distributed among the people?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Nobody takes that referendum seriously. Also carney is a piece of shit corporate. Also let Alberta go, nobody cares about their whole cowboy phase.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Did the discussions about who'll builds border check loin points and who'll take what part of the national debt already took place?

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    [–] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I can't wait until this bullshit is over.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Won't be until USrael and Russia are brought to justice, I fear. They're big players in it

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ukraine gave you a decent gift though by taking out those Russian bot datacenters just before the election there and here in the states

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Agreed but most of the damage is done

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago

    Maybe, maybe I'm just being optimistic and this is totally anecdotal, but I'm still plugged into MSSM and....people noticed. And I'm not talking just the politically versed people, but the "normies", the kinda people that take things in passively.

    Will that translate into real world impacts? Who knows, could be a nothing burger could be the catalyst that gets written into the history books

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

    Is there actual evidence that's true or just claims still? I know data centers actually were bombed but the singular Cloudfare graph I saw getting shared around wasn't bot traffic dropping it was Yandex indexer for their search engine going down from what I understand. Also, the internet traffic "collapse" was less than 0.4%.

    I realise everyone wants this to be true (including me) but that doesn't make it so.

    Edit: if anything it's a bit irresponsible to go about pretending the enemy is diminished in capabilities when it's actually not.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago

    The case: sedition and conspiracy.

    How does the defendant Marlaina Smith plead?

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