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[–] 39 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

I don't want usage adoption; I want philosophical adoption which will lead to usage adoption.

I want users to appreciate that they own their software. I want them to realize the importance of being able to inspect and use your software as you see fit (within reason).

I want people to realize the dangers of walled gardens, and opaque black boxes that are doing who knows what.

I hope that makes sense; I get confused and worried when people just push adoption. I'd rather people migrate because they believe in FOSS, and then setup linux boxes for their non-tech family members as a means of protecting them.

I have a lot to say on this...but the words just aren't coming out right now. I guess I need to get in the right frame of mind.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    wdym, linux boxes ?

    i totally agree that usage would come a lot easier if what gets pushed is a mindset

    if you have more to say now, i'm all ears. i want to drive adoption in my circles

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    by boxes I just mean, linux computers for those who just use a browser to go on the internet. Those users, they don't have to adopt the Linux philosophy.

    But for people who are actively coming to linux, I wish they would come with an appreciation for the ethos of FOSS.

    I'm flattered you think I have something of value to say, but what I've learned in life is that you can't convince people of anything unless they want to be convinced. And ego plays a big role in that.

    If you go and even imply to someone, "you're using computers wrong," or "there is a better way," depending on their relationship with you, their ego will kick in: what is this guy talking about, I've been using computers for x years and I have it do everything I want it to. Just nod along

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I adopted Linux on my home PC about 12 years ago, but I could never get the "Linux box" in a state where I could replace my wife's until Win11 came out. At the time, I noticed a lot of improvements that allowed a seamless transition and I was finally able to replace her Win10 install with a KDE setup. She barely noticed the difference. The only real challenge was her migration from Outlook to Thunderbird.

    But I think the reality is that, apart from Linux enthusiasts, no one really cares for using FOSS or not. Most simply want their PC to work and not be a nuisance. And it seems that more and more, that is the case for Linux.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I'd like to see more software freedom respecting OSs. No unsourced binary blobs.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I would be happy for linux to flatten microslop, it's just a question of whether it would then turn into it in some respects (2026 has already seem some not some awesome changes).

    Somewhat along the lines of: If lemmy becomes as large as reddit, lemmy will become trash like reddit.

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  • The world belongs to those who do the work. Capitalism sucks, but it's always capitalists who drive the production of things. It doesn't have to be that way but it is because we are lazy. SteamOS exists because Valve put in the work. Any of us here could have made SteamOS. We didn't because we are lazy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Question is why, though. What are we trying to accomplish here? There's better hobbies than gatekeeping stuff just for the sake of it?!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Why I'd want that? What the community has to gain with this self imposed limitation?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    What are you calling "the linux community"?

    Linux is the primary OS supported on all of the major cloud platforms and has effectively replaced nearly all commercial Unix systems in new deployments.

    We're well past "small".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I mostly just want to see the tech bros go broke. If thst means Linux/floss is mainstream, then by all means, go ahead. But yeah, I wanna see them fail so fucking hard

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I wouldn't say I really care if the "community" is big or small (it's also a bit unclear what you mean exactly, do you just mean user adoption?)... but I care about Linux (and in general, open source alternatives) being real options when it comes to hardware support, compatibility with services I might want to use, etc.

    I don't think you can have proper "progress" in those areas without having Linux be a recognized mainstream system. Like say.. banks are unlikely to make an authenticator app for non-Android Linux phones if non-Android Linux phones are not mainstream, for example.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    No. You're hindering progress this way.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    no, id like to see better app supoort

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I think it depends on what you mean by "community" and "progress." When I think of any given software community, I imagine people who are adept with the inner workings and can actually adapt, maintain, modify, and repair an install of that software. That community will always remain small relative to the deployed base.

    I'd like the community to grow for Linux so that there is broader support for everything. And to me, that is what I regard as progress.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The question is too vague to give a direct answer. About growing: Yes, I want the community and entire eco system around Linux to grow. Why? That means more people using, bigger communities, more help, more developers, more money, more support by companies. That's good. However, there is a little bit dark side of this aspect too. More popular also means it will attract bad actors. But that's part of growing up.

    About "making progress", I'm unsure what that actually means. What does "making no progress" in example mean? Wish your question was formulated a bit better in the body text, than this vague headline title.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    For me personally it has gotten to a point where i kinda don't care either way? I mean i do think more people using it is good, but as long as it does what i need it to do i'll keep using it regardless. The way i see it even if linux becomes more and more popular, you can still feel quirky if you want by just using a more obscure distro. It still gets you the benefits of using linux, and if linux gets better support due to it's popularity increasing you still get all the benefits, but at the same time you can also enjoy being part of a smaller niche community that is centered around these more obscure distros.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It hasnt been small since 98.

    Everything already works, Linux support is ootb for almost every new piece of equipment that comes out nowadays. Literally what is missing?

    Your pretext seems flawed too since the kernel llm decision is in keeping with the way it’s been for years and there wasn’t really an alternative to llm use with the number of patches flying in from llm sources.

    Just generally what do you think is happening in the world regarding Linux? Are you referring to c/linux on .ml?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    My instance of Lemmy doesn't support down votes, and I'm sure others are the same.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    POLL: Upvote for yes Downvote for No

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I'm guessing a downvoted post is a lot less likely to be viewed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah, maybe the poll should be on the comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Or use a different platform or wait for Lemmy 1.0

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Or simply allow natural, full-fledged discourse occur, instead of attempting to simplify complex opinions into two numbers.

    I don't like polls, much.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Well said. And I found computer stuff rarely to be a yes/no thing in the first place. It's almost always a ...well, depends... where are we going with this?... there's ten puzzle pieces which fit here and they all come with consequences and side-effects and form a different bigger picture.

    I get the questions, though. And the desire for there to be simple answers to things like, should I install CachyOS? Should I buy 32GB of RAM, put a web application firewall infront of my webserver... There's also a lot of opinions out there regarding those things.

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