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[–] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thanks! I've been nix curious for awhile, but lazyness has won.

Is there some that generates those nix comments for you?
For Dev environments I'm usually interested in the current stable release of whatever language I'm working in, and generally for my tools (nvim, ripgrep, those sorts of things be also on whatever is stable, is there a idiomatic way to get that? And also keep them uotodate?

Its reasonable to ignore or respond with RTFM

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[–] faint_marble_noise@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

You are welcome. Thank you for your service.

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[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

How do I install Nix on Windows?

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[–] brian@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the same way I'd recommend installing bash, wsl

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

This is exactly what I do. Windows to me is just Linux with extra steps.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago*

Android is getting to the same point as Windows, just tried a Samsung a11+ and the native os appears hijacked by the manufacturer, but allows termux and termux-x11 to run Linux VMs

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[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

That's WSL though. Not really Windows...

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[–] BB_C@programming.dev 1 point 1 month ago

The +nightly syntax is a rustup proxy feature, so a distro-packaged cargo won’t even parse it. Nightly is a different compiler every day.

export RUSTC_BOOTSTRAP=1 and you wouldn't need rustup or nightly. It will work with your stable distro package.

clap = "4" and anyhow = "1" are ranges, and there’s no Cargo.lock.

you can do clap = "=4.x.x", ditto for all deps, direct and indirect.

Nightly is a different compiler every day.

Nothing about that script is fixed except its text.

Is nix finished free-standing software?

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How long do most of these take to parse/compile each time you run them? I’m guessing this doesn’t cache compiled artefacts. If the language has a mode to interpret it without compilation (trading runtime speed for compilation overhead) it may make sense, but if not, certainly the Scala and Haskell examples would be agonisingly slow.

[–] justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Can’t speak for most of these ecosystems, but uv (for python) does cache the dependencies per version on user level, so it’s def not slower than python is in general, post first run

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Kscript catches dependencies and compiled output. First run compiles, second is fast.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago

I really wish kscript would catch on. Kotlin is an excellent language and I have enjoyed using it for some utility scripts.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 point 1 month ago

The real question is "does your IDE support this?". Deno does. Most of them are a "no" though.

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Mirroring the other comment, but this post really has nothing to do with Nix, so I have no clue where this comment came from.

But anyway, I think Nix has a few things that turn people away:

New language to learn (which is fairly simple, but gets more complicated when you introduce...)
Nix flakes? nix-shell? nix-env? Just looking at setting up a shell, you have nix-shell, nix shell, nix develop, and possibly so many others
The module system, put lightly, is confusing (for when you need modules)
It's difficult to find which packages are available in nixpkgs (and making a custom derivation is not always trivial)
Almost nobody documents how to install their tools with Nix (or add it to a shell.nix or equivalent)
... and so on

Nix is awesome, of course, but it's far from being the right tool for everyone.

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

nix is a subset of json. If that’s a “hard” language, I don’t know what to tell people. Try GUIX with scheme?

This ignores how modules and flakes work. You often have to write function expressions, not just pure "JSON", and it's often unclear what the function parameters are supposed to be (at least for a beginner).

NixOS search exists so I’m not sure why it’s considered “hard to find packages”

The search is great and includes a ton of stuff, but there's a lot that's hard to install through it. For example, how do you install an application through Flatpak? How do you install extensions for Firefox or vscodium? How do you install a specific version of an application on an older nixpkgs commit while still installing the current version of other programs through a flake? (I'm guessing through multiple nixpkgs inputs?) How do you install something not in nixpkgs? (A custom derivation, but it's not easy to build one if you're a beginner or don't understand what the program needs during build.)

These are all things that can be done, but there's really no specific documentation to help with it.

What Nix really needs is better documentation and a commitment to (or against) flakes. Once it reaches that point, I think I'd consider it mature enough to recommend. I've definitely brought it up at work as an alternative to devcontainers, but it's a hard sell for a lot of people because it's so much harder to learn. Personally I use a shared HM config across all my machines, and it's awesome, but I don't know anyone else personally who has been able to figure it out.

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[–] brian@programming.dev 1 point 1 month ago

I love nix but "subset of json" is an absolutely insane thing to say

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

People around here love to do anything in their power to achieve the exact properties of using Nix using ANYTHING other than Nix.

And I don't think its a bad thing. Otherwise we become too dependent on one platform / solution / developers. I would also like to have some Nix superpowers, without relying on Nix. However I don't know what this post has anything to do with Nix.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nix might be the better concept overall, but its a specific concept that is not available everywhere. Docker on the other hand can be installed and used on any distribution, and removed too. Once you rely on Nix and its system, you can't just remove it, its your lifestyle now.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

We are not talking about the package manager.

Also, you can’t remove Nix?

I don't think you understood what I said.

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