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[–] 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

or many ate likely lying

https://fortune.com/europe/2024/12/14/are-blue-zones-myth-extreme-aging-pension-fraud-century-old-lies/

But Saul Justin Newman, a researcher at University College London’s Centre for Longitudinal Studies, told AFP that most extreme old age data “is junk to a really shocking degree”.

Newman’s research, which is currently being peer-reviewed, looked at data about centenarians and supercentenarians — people who live to 100 and 110 — in the United States, Italy, England, France and Japan.

Contrary to what one might expect, he found that supercentenarians tended to come from areas with poor health, high levels of poverty—and bad record-keeping.

The true secret to extreme longevity seems to be to “move where birth certificates are rare, teach your kids pension fraud and start lying”,

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Not to mention in Japan many next of kin of centenarians are hiding their deaths from government officials to continue receiving government benefits. Government officials don't have the power or will to force themselves into homes to check if those people are actually still alive, if their supposed guardians become aggressive at the mention of physical welfare checks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I have a feeling that a desired side effect of the My Number card is helping to find stuff like this. Insurance is now basically required to be the MyNa card which is a photo ID. Also more easily tracks its usage. If people are quite old and not getting medical care or their cards renewed...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Japanese community is at another level.

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    [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    At least in official documentation. A lot of areas in Japan with large numbers of unusually old people also have an equivalent deficit of people a decade or two younger, and had birth records lost in WW2 bombing, suggesting that what’s happening is people taking advantage of this to claim their pensions early.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    I wonder how many of them are pension fraud?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The final paragraph:

    ...some families may have tried to hide the deaths of elderly relatives in order to claim their pensions.

    IIRC NHK (via maybe Japanology?) did a piece on this a few years ago, and the number of centenarians whose death had been hidden to keep their benefits flowing was staggering.

    Though I think they chose the low hanging fruit: those aged 110 (or 120?) and higher.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    That's a lot of years in aggregate

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    [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    Yeah right. There have been more cases of age related fraud in Japan than anywhere else on earth.

    One such famous case is Sogen Kato:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogen_Kato#Aftermath

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I was gonna say pension fraud but the article mentioned that so maybe this count is accurate.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    It seems like the article was just raising that point, not indicating that this country had fixed the problem. 88% women over 100 seems a little suspicious. In the US the ratio of men is almost double that, and somewhere in between US and Japan for the EU, which might be an innocent series of convergent factors, or it might be that there is a particularly invisible demographic being taken advantage of, and there are another 20,000-30,000 dead bodies being hidden for their pensions.

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