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Yeah the wendigo probably has a wendick that is going straight up your ass.
Don't wendigo eat people, that sounds pretty hot!
Grab a knife and give it one.
Maybe there's a chance it is just Mal0. You should be alright. No documented hostility.
Creepy ass furries, always trying to stick your dicks in malevolent spirits and helpless farm animals.
I can hear the down votes coming. "Thats nawt true! Its purrfektly normal to want to has sex with a Wendigo!"
The bait is strong with this one. I didn't understand furries I still barely do. That said I learned a good bit about them by making this post. Maybe some of the comments will help you to have more realistic views.
I made my own a while back. Nothing is ever going to convince me that wanting to have sex with roughly human shaped animals is any less creepy and wrong than if they were saying the same about kids.
Some people do. The whole anime girl clearly designed to look and act 10 who it's "ok" to sexualize because she's really thousands of years old. WINKWINK
Coming up with imaginary scenarios where it's suddenly moral to have sex with kids or sheep is super weird and creepy.
Some guy in that thread defended it by saying that some people get off eating shit and it's not alright to make fun of that. Yes, it's definitely fine to say that getting off eating shit is creepy and abnormal. He might have been the same one who said that not all furries are in to kids. It didn't help do anything other than sketch me out even harder.
I say all of this completely cognizant of where we are having this discussion. I personally am strongly againt lolicon drawings of any kind, to the point I think it should be illegal material. Treated with slightly less severity than CSAM. I don't view that as "kink" I view it as genuine evil and dangerous material. I'm also not personally into anything non human. That said, I think there is a pretty large distinction between a furry drawing two furries fucking and someone drawing a German shepard fucking a lady. The latter maybe could even be classed in the same realm as lolicon. The former though, thats just consenting adults with extra imagination. I'm not seeing the throughline you are between furries and pedophiles. Humans are humans, kids are kids, animals are animals and furries are a fourth who gives a fuck category the way I see it. So, in your estimation, what's okay/Kink and whats not?
I don't really have a list of sexual kinks I'm a fan of or dislike. Anything forcibly involving non-consenting participants, whether they're aware of that fact or not, I definitely see as being wrong.
There are over 8 billion people in the world with tens of thousands of combinations of cultures, ethnicities, religions, regional histories, and socioeconomic backgrounds. We're not all going to agree on the morality of anything. Too many people online have decided to see simple honesty about that from people who feel differently about things than they do as hatred.
So you are a committed vegan, right? Since imposing confinement, forced impregnation and slaughter on unconsenting animals in real life is clearly a lot worse than wanting to fuck them in a fantasy.
Eating meat is normal human behavior. Fantasizing about fucking nonhuman animals is not.
That's a real sheep take. If a lot of people do it then it's normal human behaviour. If you wanna apply some prescriptive values to that based on some moral ideas you have and say that common behaviour is wrong you're gonna need to be consistent about the consequences. If you're justifying your idea of its wrongness in terms of sentience and consent you can't just then drop that for the thing that you like to do. Either you've got values or you don't.
Equating a basic necessity to remain alive with getting personal sexual gratification from animals is a view most people in the world would consider strange. Eating meat is historically a normal human activity. Fucking nonhuman animals is not. There is no mysterious conflict in that outside of your own head.
Eating meat isn't a necessity to stay alive, or be healthy in any way, plenty of entire cultures don't do it. Keep deluding yourself my friend. The conflict isn't mysterious, it's just narcissism. You just find post hoc rationalisations for things that you like or don't like, and decide it must be based on some kind of fundamental morality. It's exactly right-wing extremist logic.
Oh for fuck sake. Plenty of cultures don't and plenty of cultures do. Plenty of people lived places where meat was their only reliable source of sustenance.
I can't stand this lazy, idiot defense of jumping to claiming someone is racist, or homophobic, or right-wing. You're telling an old black man with the display name "Trump Rapes Kids" he's using right-wing extremist logic because he's willing to eat meat but finds it weird and creepy that some people want to fuck the animals. Brilliant.
I'm just going to block you now. Enjoy sticking your dick in a cat or whatever makes you happy and proud of yourself.
Furries don't engage in non consensual acts by and large. It feels like this is just something you don't connect with so it makes you uncomfortable. Because you're uncomfortable you're railing against it extra hard. Claiming people just see what your saying as hatered seems reasonable. You're connecting consenting adults participating in innocuous (admittedly strange) behavior with actual pedophilia/zoophilia. That's an easily hateable position. It's definitely reasonable to push against that.
Furries don’t engage in non consensual acts by and large.
You asked "in your estimation, what’s okay/Kink and whats not?" right up there. I was answering that question. I never connected furries to it at all.
I'm not railing against it. It doesn't make me uncomfortable, but it does trigger a disgust response. It's at odds with my values and morals. It seems sort of like seeing people eat dog meat or something. A sexual desire for imaginary beings based on animals is weird as all hell to me. I'm not the one who chose to use animals. They did. When someone is a fan of sexualized images of vaguely human shaped animals that connects itself to zoophilia, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do that.
There's a big difference between giving your honest opinion on a thing and actively hating a thing. And a difference again between that and being intolerant and falling to violence against those who don't see the world and the things in it in the same light that you do.
The only thing you were able to list not being okay with was non consensual acts. I specifically asked the question to understand what about furries is against your moral compass. From what you're saying its just that you think its weird. Which is fine, but a different animal from pedophilia/zoophilia completely. It being weird/not your thing makes sense, it being against your morals/values doesn't. Based on what you've said. Again I really want to understand how you're connecting it to pedophilia/lolicon. Also, I don't understand what you're trying to explain in that last paragraph at all.
Even without actual animals I still see it as likely a group that people with certain mental illnesses are attracted to that encourages them to sexualize imaginary animals. It doesn’t seem like there is any healthy outcome from that. At best it’s encouraging sexual attraction to something that doesn’t exist, and at worst those things that don’t exist look like a cross between humans who do exist and animals who do exist and that could cause people to fall on the wrong size of that actual animals part.
The pedophile and animal art are two big things people are often going to encounter on the internet. Sexualized animated images of children, animals, and children-animals are far from uncommon. Go scroll Reddit for a bit and see how many young looking horse-girls or whatever the popular theme of the moment is that you run in to. Neither of them seem like things that could be healthy. The sort of thing that should be discouraged and not encouraged.
I met a 20 something year old in prison who had molested one of his relatives. When he was out after that sentence his parole officer checked his phone and found videos of him fucking the family dog. He went back to prison for that. It would be much more surprising to find out he’d never seen any of that ‘art’ than to find out he had a big stash of it.
Which mental illnesses? I haven't used reddit in a long time but I thought lolicon was expressly forbidden there. I've also never seen either randomly on the internet, only inadvertently running into it while looking for porn to watch. So I wouldn't say its an internet thing as much as a porn thing. Would you subscribe to the idea that playing violent video games, listening to heavy metal or watching violent movies makes people engage in violence?
Which mental illnesses?
Here's a good starter article.
I'm not taking about flat out porn, just the sexualized images. Panty shots of characters clearly drawn to look like children, anthropomorphized animals with huge human breasts, etc.
Would you subscribe to the idea that playing violent video games, listening to heavy metal or watching violent movies makes people engage in violence?
No reasonable person does. However sexual attraction is a thing that very definitely can be influenced and change over time. If you go through your teen years where your biochemistry is pushing you towards sex and you see lots of sexualized animation or furry art then you're going to end up much more likely drawn to that than if it's something you never see until you're in your 30s.
If you spend 10 years only able to access one specific niche of porn that you don't like and you 'make do' with it, by the end of that time it might be the thing you're most drawn to.
That article doesn't really support anything you're saying or explain what mental illnesses you'd associate with furries. Therianthropy isn't even a recognized mental disorder. You're drawing the same link to if someone consumes X media they will likely engage in Y action. You provided a study that talked about historical cases of therianthropy. You didn't provide anything that showed there is a link or higher likelihood a furry will engage in pedophilia/zoophilia. Aside from the vibe you get. I think engaging with any porn/heavily sexualized material in your early teen years isn't going to be good for your brain or your expectations of healthy sex as an adult. You're describing something it seems like you would have to seek out. It's a caregivers responsibility to make sure a child doesn't have the ability to view something like that at such a young age.
Associated conditions included psychotic disorders (41 %), psychotic depression (24 %), bipolar disorder (18 %), and Cotard’s syndrome (12 %).
You're hung up on wanting one specific mental disorder. Mental health is a complex topic. People with many disorders can be drawn to the 'furry' group for varying reasons.
You’re drawing the same link to if someone consumes X media they will likely engage in X action.
Neuroplasticity most strongly effects sexual attraction during puberty, however the things we spend time experiencing continue to have effects on that for at least the bulk of our lives. It has nothing to do with claiming video games or rock music make children worship the devil. You're conflating actual neuroscience with scare tactics you see on TV.
You seem defensive, and while I don't mind discussion I have no interest in taking the time to write a dissertation for a social media response. You don't understand my dislike. That's alright. You don't have to. Everyone in the world has their own point of view on all sorts of things. Being honest about that is just being honest about a basic fact of the human condition. It doesn't mean someone's calling for others who do a thing they dislike to be burned alive.
So you're just saying furries are drawn to being a furry because they are mentally ill? Or that many furries are mentally ill on top of being a furry. And the evidence for that is soley based on a single very small study. I'm just not sure the relevance. If you wanna make the argument children shouldn't be exposed to porn/highly sexualized content, including furry, I think that's completely reasonable. I don't know anyone who would argue against that. The only thing making me defensive is the connection you're making between furries (consenting adults) with pedophiles. The latter absolutely should be burned alive and the former are just kinda weird people.
So you’re just saying furries are drawn to being a furry because they are mentally ill? And the evidence for that is soley based on a single very small study.
No. I'm trying to provide basic answers to complex questions. You're more than welcome to study the neuroscience and psychology of human sexuality.
The only thing making me defensive is the connection you’re making between furries (consenting adults) with pedophiles. The latter absolutely should be burned alive and the former are just kinda weird people.
Both have a sexual attraction to things considered immoral. Creating fictional anthropomorphized animals who can speak and consent and drawing characters clearly intended to look and act like children but then claiming they're really very, very old are both methods of trying to create a fictional scenario where playing out an immoral attraction could be argued to be moral.
Sexual attraction isn't a thing people really have control of, though it can be influenced by the things we surround ourselves with. While you're not likely going to "fix" someone who's sexually attracted to children or animals by not plastering the internet with porn to fit their desires, having that can increase the attraction.
It's an ongoing debate on whether the attempts to ban all such porn is more beneficial or more harmful, because while having easy access to immoral fetish porn does tend to increase that attraction not having that access as a psychosexual pressure vent could potentially cause someone to go look for a real child or animal instead.
I'm trying to provide basic answers to complex questions. You're more than welcome to study the neuroscience and psychology of human sexuality.
Lmao. The case you were making that you aren't a troll ain't lookin so hot chief 😅
You're also welcome to study if you have a deeper interest in the topic. But I'll be blocking you, because I don't deal with bigots. So many of you trolls actually fit that word completely and yet love to claim it about others. Hopefully you find a bit of self-awareness and notice that for yourself.
Coming up with imaginary scenarios where it’s suddenly moral to have sex with kids or sheep is super weird and creepy.
Coming up with imaginary scenarios where being a furry is about wanting to fuck sheep is also weird, and yet here we are. My closest friend is a furry and has zero interest in sexualizing her sonas or other people's, she just likes drawing herself as dog characters. For her it's a way of processing different parts of herself by personifying them as separate characters, and she enjoys anthropomorphic animals as an aesthetic 🤷🏻
The rhetoric you're using is exactly the same harmful stuff folks say about queer folks, complete with the same leap in logic from whats happening (drawing anthro characters in various contexts including sexual ones, having queer relationships including queer sex) to something intrinsically harmful (animal abuse, pedophilia).
Your own post is just you venting that you hate people that seem weird to you. How would anyone learn anything from that when you clearly didn't? You clearly didn't make the post to try and learn anything.
Everyone in the world is never going to condone or be a fan of everything everyone else in the world does.
People who get off to anthropomorphized animals seem to have something wrong with their minds. I'm not going to lie about that or act as though I don't see it that way. There's a massive distinction between being honest that you don't understand or like a thing and it doesn't fit your values and world view, and trying to whip up a mob to kill people who do that thing.
The fall-back to comparing anyone who dislikes anything to racists or homophobes known for intolerant violence is lazy.
I make the comparison because as a queer person it directly fits. Your argument and the argument homophobes make are cut from the same rhetorical cloth and have the exact same faulty logic.
Claiming it's hollow without engaging with the argument I'm making is a lazy way to deflect from the need to reflect or rebut anything I'm saying
No, they're not. This is lazy idiocy. You could take any human complaining about any thing they don't like, replace the thing they actually don't like with "Jew", and scream they antisemitic. It's a pathetic attempt to make anyone who doesn't like anything look like a horrible monster.
The rhetorical cloth only seems to fit because you cut out the most important part and replaced it with something that would work for the picture you're trying to paint. It is hollow.
Being a furry isnt about fucking animals, but you're saying its about beasitiality
Being gay or trans isn't about fucking kids, but homophobes say it is.
You are leaping from the thing that makes you uncomfortable to a moral argument that isnt actually supported by the thing you're critiszing.
The arguments have exactly the same flaw. And the fact you can make any critisism into antisemitism doesnt mean that you just shouldn't engage with it when someone's critisism is directly mirroring all the tropes of bigotry
Which to be clear, being a furry isnt a protected class or anything, its a subculture. But your "deviancy" argument is literally just exactly word for word what people say about queer folks complete with the exact same foundational flaw
ಠ_ಠ ? ?
I have to assume you're trolling rather than unpromptedly venting your hatred for furries under a shitpost. One of those things is rather different from the other lol
No, I'm against raping both malevolent spirits and animals. Humans too, actually.
Yeah I'm gonna go with the other commenter and just say thats some crazy bait lol
What a weird way to troll
Nah, no bait. I don't make people sad for fun. It's honestly just creepy as fuck. I made an unpopular opinion post on it a while back.
Yeah I just realized one of the last unhinged threads/posts I saw was also you. Can't tell if you're just here to ragebait and troll, or if you just have weird takes and are interpersonally immature
Either way, I don't think its great
Edit: several of the last posts/threads actually, now that I look
It's ironic that you're calling me "interpersonally immature" while you're the one insulting me for no apparent reason.
Critisism for making this space more combative isn't an unprompted insult, nor does it reflect interpersonal immaturity, there is nothing ironic about pointing out someone's behavior as interpersonally immature
Have a nice day.
Right. I'm known for being combative by things like asking people not to use slurs or having opinions you don't like. You can just go on the block list. It's a simple way to deal with smug shits who feel justified in insulting others.
Eh.
Kinda with you on that one. Never understood furries and with their porn/erotica overflow on the internet them saying "it's not a sex thing!" seems pathetic. Especially that this is popular enough to breed a joke about struggling artist giving into the dark side of furry porn.
That being said, the best (and only sensible) way it was explained to me is that they perceive it more like xenophilia rather than anything close to actual animals. They perceive these chars more like aliens rather than animals crunched into human form.
Still feels iffy but I grasp them better with that explanation. Helps that they actively hunt down zoophiliacs in their fandom so there must be some meat on that explanation.
Even without actual animals I still see it as likely a group that people with certain mental illnesses are attracted to that encourages them to sexualize imaginary animals. It doesn't seem like there is any healthy outcome from that. At best it's encouraging sexual attraction to something that doesn't exist, and at worst those things that don't exist look like a cross between humans who do exist and animals who do exist and that could cause people to fall on the wrong size of that actual animals part.
I met a 20 something year old in prison who had molested one of his relatives. When he was out after that sentence his parole officer checked his phone and found videos of him fucking the family dog. It would be much more surprising to find out he'd never seen any of that 'art' than to find out he had a big stash of it.
At best it’s encouraging sexual attraction to something that doesn’t exist
Which is literally xenophilia. People want to bonk with weird shit all the time - look at all the cases of people needing to be cut out of exhaust pipes or objects stuck in ass or vagina. Deviancy is normal, even if we all have different levels of it. That was the main part that made the xenophilia explanation work for me. Is xenophilia bad? Honestly not for me to judge, as it hurts no one and is pretty much unexplored when it comes to morality as we, kinda, never met any aliens in the first place. At least not en masse, if we try to keep open mind to conspiracy theories ;p
People want to bonk Transformers and we just give them weird look and carry on. People want to frick Cthulu and again, get weird look and carry on. I am of opinion furries also qualify there - they want to bonk something that doesn't exist. Give a weird look and carry on.
and at worst those things that don’t exist look like a cross between humans who do exist and animals who do exist and that could cause people to fall on the wrong size of that actual animals part.
Yeah, I get ya there. But also there is a well documented thing of furries staying vigilant and hunting down actual zoophiliacs in the fandom. If someone gets too close to actual animal sex art, even if said animal is suggested to be sentient, fandom tends to implode on them and report them, which supports the idea they draw a very clean line between themselves and zoophilia. Which again supports the xenophilia claim.
About the guy you mentioned, I'm actually willing to bet he had nothing to do with furries. If furries were connected to zoophiliacs it would be mentioned more - people love attacking associated stuff and furries already have a huge target on their back. But almost every single time I saw an article about caught zoophiliac, it was a case of peanut butter and deviant curiosity with no moral brakes.
Heck, I have a furry friend, and while teasing him for shit and giggles once I wrangled the topic into more serious rails and it pretty much resulted in him saying he is still fully attracted to humans (and as dude is hetero, specifically women), it's just that he likes the aesthetic. Similiar to catgirls, basically, just taken into full alien mode. I believe it's safe to assume this applies to most furries - they are still attracted to humans rather than animals, they just like said humans having weird traits, basically not being vanilla. Which makes these furrsonas actual xenos rather than animals. Which supports xenophilia claim.
Which is still weird but not morally wrong, so there's nothing wrong with letting them be. Althought they could actually try to minimalize the porn overflow T-T
Which is still weird but not morally wrong, so there’s nothing wrong with letting them be.
There's a huge difference between honestly saying you don't like a given thing and hunting the people who do that thing down to force them to stop it or die. People on the internet have started to think simply voicing an opinion they don't like is hate and persecution and intolerance. It screams of never having dealt with genuine intolerance.
I love when people wear clearly racist shirts, because that lets me know from a distance this isn't a person I want to associate with. They're allowed to have their asshole opinions. They're not allowed to attack me or try to drive me out of town because of them.
Same opinion honestly, free speech with free consequences of it community-wise. If you're an asshole, be an asshole but if people start avoiding you or straight up telling you to shut up it's a you-problem.
And while on internet many folk became quite intolerant of different opinions, on lemmy especially it's visible as the whole fedi is built around smaller, tighter knit communities. Which is cool, and I love it but it does tend to create echo chambers and skew perception of norm.
It's still so weird to me. Not noting what instance a given post is from or knowing their tribal norms and making a simple comment and having a dozen people call for your death, and all of them feel that's a sane and normal thing to do. This place becoming popular could be whole new fields of research in sociology and psychology.

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