AI - Artificial intelligence

[–] lime@feddit.nu 36 points 2 months ago (10 children)

collapse? was there any?

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[–] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

There never was much support, not for the specific ai datacwnters and not for the “technology” - even many users hate it.

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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago

I visited my grandparents a few months ago, and they were telling me how they were excited about plans for a new coal power plant and data center planned for a old growth forest we used to go hiking in.

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I think a bunch of people may have naively assumed it was a new local industry like a power station or factory.

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[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Agreed, people think that a building that large and with that much money going into it is going to need a lot of local employees. When they find out that it just needs a janitorial staff and tons of electricity and water they start to wonder why anyone would want one of these around... especially if it isn't paying taxes.

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 11 points 2 months ago

Its also extracting resources, water and power and land, and sending the value to some multinational who isn't going to return it to the local economy.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

honestly, here it kinda is. mistral invested 1.2B€ in a local server hosting company for them to build a dc on the location of the paper mill that shut down a few years ago. paper mills already pull huge amounts of power and put out tons of heat, so the site is already plugged in and connected to the district heating grid. on a local level this is actually good because it means our heating bills go down.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

Just ignore the noise and pollution. (Yes paper mills are bad, but big datacenters are worse, and without the bonus of employment.)

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah any employment boosts are short lived, but at least there won't be additional impact here. it's a town with a giant steel mill in it, which means hydro power out the wazoo (we have four dams just in the city), they're going to use river water for cooling directly rather than drinking water as they're on the waterfront, the site is full of chemicals from the paper production anyway so it's not like it could be used for anything else, and the company isn't one of the big bads, it's a local actor who have built all their previous dc's using stuff like lumber and recycled metals.

honestly it could be so much worse. i used to live where facebook spun up their first dc outside the us, and they were so used to that flimsy electrical grid they tested their 50MW backup diesel plant once a month. after running for a year without even so much as a frequency drift they stopped doing that but the town did smell faintly of diesel for that first period.

Edit: i'm hoping it'll be at least partly colo so they don't completely collapse in a few years.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago

Many people hate it, even the AI bros reconsider when it starts affecting them.

However, corporations need to keep the bubble from bursting or profits will shrink. Thus, nothing is gonna change.

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[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 5 points 2 months ago

According to the polling, yes.

Just one year before, 42% of Americans said they opposed AI data centers in their areas, compared with 43% who expressed support.

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[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"massive collapse"? No one supported any of that bullshit, just the rich that were tossing eachother of and calling it "investment" and "better future for everyone".

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I think it’s fair to say that people were passive about it in general but now have opinions.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

As far as industry moving into your area, data centers could be the absolute best neighbors. Hardly any trucks coming and going, no smells or even really any chemicals needed.

…but the greedy oligarchs manage to fuck it up every time so the only viable answer is to tell them to kick rocks.

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[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

WHAT, I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE ACCOUNT OF EVERYTHING SOUNDING LIKE A FUCKING JET FROM ALL THE COOLING AND ELECTRICAL HUMMING THAT IS OCCURING FROM THIS FUCKING GIANT DATACENTER THAT STOLE ALL OF OUR WATER SND MADE ELECTRICITY PRICES INCREASE TEN TIMES THE NORMAL RATE

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[–] saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

The thing screwing over local people is unpopular? Who could have seen this coming!?

[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ai sucks in some ways and has racist bias. I can’t find the OG post, but just doing this today via DuckDuckGo go on 5.6 Luna.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Wow you must be really attractive, congratulations. But seriously, that's really interesting

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[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago*

I've never used duck.ai before, but I got the same answer for "black guy" as you did, then for "white guy" got tips in how to discretely text a friend to make up an excuse call to get away from him without tipping him off.

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[–] theand@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 child)

"Here, have this new building that adds almost negligible jobs to the local economy, noisy if you live close by, may cause major power outages & you can't shut it off. Also, you may run out of drinking water / have your local water source polluted thanks to said building"

[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 9 points 2 months ago

But think of the kickbacks we get! I bet the mayor got a butt load of money. He'll be sharing that cash awith the residents aaaaaaany day now...

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Human beings identify obviously bad idea, journalists baffled

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

I guess the NIMBYism is probably a lot of this? It says "in their area".

How many would support the oligarchs building things that will be built "somewhere else" and as long as it only steals other people's jobs, I wonder?

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[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Which is why the oligarchs always make sure their corporate media runs articles about how stuff like this disproportionally affects minorities, to make it seem like a problem of the others and not them.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I doubt they are broadcasting that most (67%) are planned in rural areas, so the politics of that may become very interesting, quickly. Er, I should say even more interesting, I guess.

The u-turn on this has been a pretty wild ride, that's for sure.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/13/most-new-data-centers-in-the-us-are-coming-to-rural-areas/

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Problem is that usually the majority needs to get something out of things like this for that to work properly, IE who cares if they demolished black neighborhoods to build the freeway we got a freeway of out of it. That's not happening with data centers, nobody gets anything out of them including the oligarchs since this shit is just a resource sink and one that may get them killed at this rate.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In the short term though - and that's usually how these people with the mind-virus known as "MBA Brain" think - there is massive amounts of money being made on this.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Fair enough, I just don't factor in short term unless the long term is accounted for. Maybe that's why I always assume these people are fucking stupid.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

MBA Brain usually tends to prioritize next quarter's profits.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also, I think it's why fElon keeps talking about putting "compute" 🙄 into space.

People like him utterly disdain populism (the real kind, not the fascist facsimile) and communities fighting back and so putting these things in space would put them entirely beyond the control of people being able to do anything about it, especially with a compliant administration like donnie's.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Good thing it's an idiotic idea that will never work

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[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 point 2 months ago

Satelite killers are in action now, in their infancy but it's going to heat up with the new world cold wars here.

I wonder if lasers could take some of them out just academically wonder.

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[–] Seaguy05@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

I'll just leave this study here...

Study: Congress literally doesn’t care what you think | RepresentUs https://share.google/SP4G9wVXw4eJLUAjr

Basically... Money speaks, not opinions from voters at the federal level.

This administration, you can rest assured, doesn't even give a single shit about you. If you haven't bought his crypto, invested in his super PAC, donated money to his ballroom, made a movie about his wife, invested in his son in laws investment firm, let him build a faux golden building in your country, kiss his ass, or bought his merch he would literally rather watch you die then lift a finger in any meaningful way to help you or I. My guess, if you're on lemmy, you probably haven't done any of the above you poor bastards.

[–] Seaguy05@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Donated Golden objects to him, gave him an airplane, provided insider information, helped spread election lies, sign up to "monitor" polling stations, be an underage female, have a copy of the Epstein videos, .....

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[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago*

What is there to like. Brings very little in local jobs. Creates environmental harm and consums tons of electricity and water the bill for which is largely paid for via local residents.

The water consumption issues is probably one if the bigger issues but less talked about.

I am curious about the tax base issue? That might be the one positive if the local community does not give that away too.

Incidently crypto has similar issues.