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[–] 179 points 3 months ago (7 children)

If throwing a can of paint is the same as throwing a bomb then why not throw bombs? Seems like a dumb thing for a government to promote...

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Thats actually what they want. They are engineering a reason.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    again it seems like they got their terrorism charge, so it didn’t matter what the person did. i find the argument that we should never do anything they could use to justify their fascism ridiculous, when we are talking about a live demonstration of said fascism being justified with non violent resistance.

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  • [–] 156 points 3 months ago* (18 children)

    Kill thousands of Palestinian children, including by picking infants up by the ankle and swinging them hard as you can into brick walls, and impaling pregnant women through the stomach and leaving them to die in the dirt?

    You're a "settler."

    Throw paint at something to protest that?

    You're a "terrorist."

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago* (14 children)

    The British government paved the way for those settlers, don't forget. They assumed control of the land, kicked out the natives and beckoned for all the Israelites to enter, who, obviously, started murdering anyone still in Palestine. This chapter of their cruelty started in 1948 and Britain's government, who has always been a piece of shit, made it so.

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  • [+] -19 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    That's crazy. Fortunately the world is full of countries like China, the US, Germany, Russia... you know, big places where everything has run on compassion for others and doing the right thing for the last hundred plus years.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    What's your point with this whataboutery ?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    It's just some strange tribalism I think. I think in their mind you have to be supporting another empire instead, it seems some are unable to understand that you support none of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (7 children)

    That's an interesting theory.. I have none myself, except maybe they were being terribly sarcastic?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Ding ding ding.

    I'm lost on how so many people seemed to take me listing the countries I did followed by the description of them as having "run on compassion for others and doing the right thing for the last hundred plus years" and seen anything other than sarcasm.

    All of the listed countries have been responsible for the deaths of mass numbers of innocent civilians, and kids, and nuns, and nuns carrying infants who were carrying baby kittens over the last 100 or so years. Fuck, more than one of them has been responsible for that in the last few months.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    In my case it was a combination of it being hard to read sarcasm online in many cases, especially if you are not already familiar with the author, along with the number of times I run into "You don't support A? That means you support B!" in political discussions.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I covered a few bases and was very wordy in my other comment to you, but otherwise yeah that really did not land for the majority. FWIW sarcasm was my first take.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Nice. To be fair I was super high yesterday and couldn't stop typing. Switched ADD meds yesterday morning and am now trying to adjust to a larger amount of a different form of amphetamine. Not an awful problem to have, but understandably likely confusing to try to translate from the outside.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Aha I also was commenting way too much last night. Hope the meds go well - my healthcare provider often mandates a gradual switch of taking both together, and increasing one while decreasing the other, mainly to mitigate adverse effects. If you switched suddenly that would be hella rough.

    You don't need to justify anything, and thanks for sharing 🙃

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I find it more than a bit ironic that after I list many other countries who have done and/or are doing tons of awful things you say that.

    What strange tribalism? What tribe? Why do you think I'm imagining anyone is supporting any empire? I said nothing positive about anyone. The entire point was "Yeah, seems like the bulk of the world is run by awful cunts. Let's have a pint."

    ... and that means I'm in some sort of tribe? Do we at least get fancy hats?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Edit: each of these are incorrect, and more wild theories based on misconceptions than simply 'sarcasm that missed the mark'. We were the ones with the misconceptions, not Abyssian.

    I get it, if you mean I'm being unnecessarily narrow-minded: there's no need to single out one or two cruel empires when there are many.. All of the most globally influential countries and many smaller ones are ethically awful and cause suffering, that it may be easier to count the ones that are wholly kind and benevolently ruled.

    If you are subtly referencing the destruction of native civilisations for the unification of the newcomers: Many countries like Australia, Russia and Greenland (to name a few, perhaps less known ones) have natives a.k.a. people who lived there first that are horribly oppressed and shunned, but let's not try to erase the most significant acts of evil in modern history, condoned by a massive portion of the local population. One wrongful act does not excuse or justify another.

    If you're referring to the systemic hate of Jews in those countries and most of Europe: please remember that the ethnoreligion of Judaism, the cult of Zion and the nationality of Israel are not the same.

    *Edited out wildly inaccurate claim

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can you please provide a source for these claims.

    Just to be clear, I wholeheartedly believe they are capable of this. I'd just love to have a source to cite in future

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I wasn't making factual claims of any certain incidents. I was using (sadly very light)hyperbole to make a point. There are databases of atrocities against Palestinians you can look into online. I stopped having the stomach for it a while ago. The things mentioned in my comment aren't specific incidents, but they are the level of evil that has been documented many times over.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    They also called paint £200k in damage. And broken windows £500k. Just utterly insane figures to inflate the seriousness of what's just basic vandalism of a building.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    In Italy, when we occupied the high school against the Berlusconi government, we were asked for one € each for one pane of glass broken.

    That made for an extremely expensive glass since we were around 1000 in the institute and it was 2002.

    Of course, the Dean pocketed more vaffanculos than coins.

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  • [–] 61 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The UK has successfully watered down terrorism to mean "petty crime"

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  • [–] [S] 55 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Labour has paved the way for Reform to go full fascist.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, I always have to remind myself that these repressive stories from the UK are being done under the government elected in to stop the conservatives. Where do the more conservative parties have to go when this is the baseline of the center left?

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  • [–] 98 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Ah yes, nothing screams terrorism like... paint.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It’s vandalism. It’s property damage. It’s rude as fuck. But it’s not terrorism. Trying Americans for protests calling it terrorism is a form of terrorism.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Trying Americans for protests calling it terrorism is a form of terrorism.

    There are no Americans involved in this story...

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Wow, Lemmywinks. What crawled up your ass?

    I don't really think you're over reacting to anything, just rare to get a chance to say that.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 months ago

    It is. I'd consider it a form of stochastic terrorism. Stochastic terrorism is the public demonization of a person or group through mass media that incites a violent act which is statistically predictable but whose specific perpetrator and timing cannot be predicted.

    So the government labeling anti-fascists as terrorists, or people that support an end to the Palestinian genocide as terrorists could fall under the definition of stochastic terrorism. We have the public demonization of anti-facists via policy and yellow journalism, which leads to those people speaking out against fascism to be targeted by the police/government for exercising their right to free speech and assembly. The anti genocide protesters spreading red paint and breaking windows are vandals for sure, but I wouldn't go so far as to label them as terrorists. Labeling them as terrorists creates an opening for the government to deny them freedom via criminal charges worse than any crime they are actually guilty of.

    The US Department of Justice is attempting to prosecute an Atlanta resident in connection with the movement against the police training center known as Cop City because he had GrapheneOS on his phone, an open-source operating system that enables users to enter a passcode and wipe a phone clean. The dude gave the police officer the code to wipe the phone, instead of the unlock code, in response to an illegal search and seizure of his property. The defendant, Sam Tunick, was stopped for interrogation at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson airport on 24 January last year, after vacationing in the Dominican Republic. Unbeknown to him, federal authorities had put him on a terrorism watchlist because of his alleged association with the movement against Cop City.

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  • [–] 87 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Where is the terror exactly? That's prevarication. Anyone judging paintings as terrorism should be put to jail.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    We really live in a country where terrorism means anything that the government wants, Huh.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    If by "we" you mean people in the UK, yes.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    In the UK the state can deprive a person of their UK citizenship when they are labeled a terrorist by the state. Guess what will happen next to these people.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Craven, servile authorities with no morals or balls might be able to stop people finding ways to voice their horror at the fact gutless IDF fuckholes mass murder Palestinian babies and children, but they'll never stop people knowing Netanyahu's an inhuman cunt, who deserves to be thrown into a deep, deep pit for the rest of his life, for ordering it.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    literal whole buildings for entire blocks have graffiti and random crap in places all around the world. Spray paint clearly isn't good enough.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago

    i remember the days when terrorism included fatalities

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    This term is used to discredit certain people...

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I don't think anyone's been terrorised by this creative painting social exhibition. Hell, I'm sure some employees of the bank enjoyed it as well.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    violence is the anwser, not spray paint, you'll be designated as a terrorist either way so you have nothing to lose.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    don't need to, my democracy (Canada) threw out your puppet Pierre Poilievre and the sedition plot for Alberta is failing, now the conservatives are becoming more irrelevant by the day as the old folks die off, why should i die for your country when that's your responsibility. but rest assured, if any of your lead brain dumbfuck soldiers come to my country under donalds order, i will happily find ways of getting rid of them like other wars they've failed to win.

    if this is your response then you deserve to be a debt slave you coward.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Canada is absolutely not safe from PP and our closest to actual left party was effectively destroyed through this, and now the liberals are shifting further and further right

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    lol nah, the cons are diving deeper in the poles and the ndp is rising, theyre dieing as moderate cons flock to either ndp for workers rights or carney for civil order. only the maple magas and con tribalist that cant change are still red.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    lol what country do you think I’m from?

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    American, considering your first response and you pointing a finger at me tells me you didnt care to check where im from hypocrite, if your going to be useless, just keep your mouth shut.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    lol I’m not American. Why do you assume that under a post about the UK? Dumb ass Hoser.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    terrorism is such a low bar nowdays, I miss when they had to work for it

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    My friends in America wonder why I don't move back to the UK, and I always tell them, same shit different weather.

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    Anyone who finds spray paint on a bank more terrifying than the Arms Manufacturing Industry is a fucking psychopath.

    They should have to prove terror has been caused to a considerable part of the population.

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