βProperty is theftβ curtesy of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.
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Iβm canβt come up with an absolute upper limit but one of the more notable takes Iβve heard recently is βno personal ownership of cars.β
Yeah, I guess that's pretty left-wing. It would vastly improve the world we live in, though.
I can see that being an ultra corporate enshittification take, too.
No personal ownership of cars. You must purchase a non transferable license that gives you the opportunity to benefit from the use of a Tesla^TM vehicle. Available in 12- or 24-month periods.
I'm sure most would say that political thought is too complex to build it down to that simple of a spectrum. Even in the colloquial scale I'd say there are many schools of socialism, but the "furthest left" in the real world might be anarchism. Beyond that, to use your example, would probably be a Utopian version of the matrix.
I am confused by the question.
The Left is defined by an understanding that
- the interests of capital and workers are opposed
- this an irreconcilable difference
- The working class can and should organize itself to eliminate the capital class, instituting
democratdemocratic control
The whos, hows, whens, wheres and whatsafters are the details that divide the Left.
The left has been substantially defined by Marxist and other communist ideas. The only other other broad tradition are anarchists. And most left anarchists are influenced by communism if not communist also themselves.
"the robots should take over"
Which one do you mean?
- robots should take over repetitive, boring, dangerous labor that nobody wants to do so everyone's time can be freed up for work and other activities we prefer to do = luxury space communism
- robots should take over control or decision making power = right wing technocrat
I am not sure that either #2 or #3 are universally accepted by those who consider themselves 'left'.
If #2 isn't true, how can #1 be true?
As to #3 not being true.... that's just a Negative Nancy.
A person with any beliefs can describe themselves with almost any label. I can call myself a Brony even though I've never watched My Little Pony, don't know anything about it, I'm no Bro, and don't intend to change. But would I be accepted by the other Bronies?
In other words, those people are wrong. They might be proto-leftists. :) Or just libs.
Re 1 & 2, just because there are differences and conflicts does not mean they are unmanageable or irreconcilable.
3 is just sounding no-true-Scotsman.
These conflicts are irreconcilable because it is the nature of the relationship. This is the concept of "class war". It is inherently violent.
People who are pro capitalist are not on the left.
They might be liberals. Liberalism is not a left wing project.
Far from being no-true leftists, there are many millions of leftists globally. Every one of them works in their way for the abolition of capital.
Whether you agree with the ideas or not is no issue here. The question is where they are characteristics of the Left. If you disagree with the ideas, you are not on the left.
robots should take over repetitive, boring, dangerous labor that nobody wants to do so everyone's time can be freed up for work and other activities we prefer to do = luxury space communism
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