That's fucking hilarious
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I feel like these campaigns to turn civilians of each country against each other is not helpful in shortening the war and may just fuel it
It's a long walk to that joke but as the campaign probably means more Russians having to walk, it feels oddly appropriate.
maybe those russian civilians living in Ukrainian homes should go home then.
Dude, don't be stupid. It's better they live in Ukraine, than they get drafted and fight against Ukraine. Besides, it means they are not paying taxes to Russia, but are paying to Ukraine, which means they are one of the few good ones!
You think Russia is occupying parts of Ukraine and is paying taxes to them?
I was responding to GreenKnight.
I understood the context. My comment stands.
You can't be evil just for being Russian. Russian civilians are refugees, not invaders.
Yes, they pay taxes.
You believe that Russian civilians in Russian-occupied lands are paying taxes to Ukraine?
Bru, check the username
In Ukraine occupied lands.
So you just believe that Russia is entitled to the entirety of Ukraine, then. Really living up to your username.
Russia has been bombing Ukraine for 4 years now, killing thousands, after it already attacked and illegally annexed a large chunk of the country in 2014.
People adding disinfo to community maps is maybe the least important act of warfare that could possibly prolong it.
That was a load of one-sided disinfo by it self. There are plenty of reasons to believe/support Russia and even blame the west, US/Nato vassals for creating the whole affair - but you didn't bother because you are angry.
Anger closes off our normal critical intuition, and lowers our cognitive abilities. That's a well known and established fact and it works on you, me and everyone else too. Even if we are Billions of people around the world, that have actually evaluated what happened in Ukraine, you seem perfectly content with the narrative regurgitated by the Epstein class and western for-profit media pundits.
However, US Epstein class have enough control over the western information space, to create an echo-chamber with these narratives - a 'Lynch-mob' throughout their 'Empire' (Known as "The Empire of Lies" outside US ). You are in such a lynchmob, and everybody outside is trying - in their own way - to inform you guy's that you have been conned and tricked into hating Russia (and other enemies of the Epstein's), thereby giving the Elite psychos the go ahead for an attack on Russia (..and Iran ..and China ..and). It's called 'Manufacturing consent' and it is how US elite manage its local/global populations to control their global hegemony.
The wars the Epstein class have started in the world, won't end before you and all the angry people in the mob, calm down and try to figure out what information the pro-russia crowd have that you don't. Then you should turn around and ask why you were not provided with that information from the Epstein's/politician friends, or media outlets.
Here's a preview. A small drop in the ocean of research done to determine what really happened. If you are too angry, then you won't look at these in an unbiased way, and it is then provably you that carries 'disinfo'. At least skim the headlines without anger if you can. This small playlist is no longer updated and evidence/admissions for a planned US war have mounted since:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6-hcqTF_eSc6PIdk3QIwtoxtTK1wr30y
Every day you guy's believe the Epstein's narrative about 'our evil enemies', you keep the Epstein's in power, Wars going, more people suffers/dies, and we all move closer towards ww3 bco it. Please re-evaluate your information sources and their incentives, see how information is delivered/managed in the west, and discover who the bad guy really is. Btw. Lemmy have the sub 'inventing reality', so check out how the Epstein's control western opinions via media manipulation.
..or you can OC just pour your anger out on me - way easier..
You are absolutely pathetic and repulsive for supporting the imperialist russian regime. They and their supporters deserve nothing but death for the lives they have cost because they wanted to steal land and enrich themselves.
The fact you're regurgitating their lies is just sad. Do something better with your life.
Not reading a wall of tankie propaganda. Russia has committed uncountable atrocities, has flattened cities and is waging a terror bombing campaign on civilians. Fuck em.
The aggressors are not the victims.
Your critical thinking abilities stop at "Western bad".
Empire is evil even if you like the color of it's flag.
THEY, ATTACKED, FIRST! Over a stupid language law, they started a massive WAR!
Mate, there must be 100s of videos in that play list with some coming from mainstream outlets and others just random dudes with a 100 views, which ones are the important ones?
You're adding disinfo in a public federated social network instead. Also not a cool thing to do.
I think russians should not isolated from the "inconvenience" of the war their government started. Yes, it's a hassle, but it's also a pressure point.
Gosh, I wish someone would make some similar pain happen in the U.S. We seem to only care about war with Iran when gas prices rise too high.
Does anyone here see it as "warfare"? More like just being shitters.
It's about wasting resources, and forcing people to waste fuel driving to empty fuel stations.
Every little bit of chaos helps.
First they bomb the fuel refineries and distribution system creating extreme real shortages.
Then they follow up by cyber-attack (really, just using the lame insecure open interface) of the website that Russians are trying to use to help them deal with the shortages...
Sounds like a solid followup blow to me.
Eh, I find it petty. The fact that there are gas shortages is already enough of a blow. But this to me sounds to be as much "warfare" as scam calling Russian grandmas to convince them to sell their apartments and donate to AFU. Just gives Russian people even more reasons to blame Ukraine, less reasons to trust Ukrainians, and making the life of (surprisingly unclear amount) of them living in Russia even harder. I'm rather dumbfounded at why people are seemingly in support of such actions, as I don't see how it could in any way be beneficial for Ukraine. Best case scenario is couple of Petrovichs are late to work at their drone factories. Worst case are mass arrests of Ukrainians and pro-Ukraine Russians who blew their cover for nothing.
The people of Ukraine are having their homes destroyed, their families murdered, and their children kidnapped
The people of Russia don't have gasoline
This is indeed terrible, but do you imply that everything Ukraine does now is fair game because of it? Would you also cheer them on if they openly used chemical weapons, tortured POW's, and terrorized Russian citizens and nationals?
I'm not an expert on international law or human rights, but I think posting fake gas prices and " used chemical weapons, tortured POW's, and terrorized Russian citizens and nationals" are in slightly different categories.
Of course bad faith arguments usually don't hold water...
and terrorized Russian citizens and nationals" are in slightly different categories.
Are they?

Only the magnitude is (and yes, a lot) different, but category is very much the same.
Yes they are. Read the full snippet, not just the highlighted bit. The "Its primary intent is [...] To further a terrorist group organization's objectives"
God you're dumb. You're almost cyber terrorizing Lemmy!
God you’re dumb
No you.
You’re almost cyber terrorizing Lemmy!
Do I instill fear, panic, or physical disruption of your critical infrastructure?
Yes they are. Read the full snippet, not just the highlighted bit. The “Its primary intent is […] To further a terrorist group organization’s objectives”
What's your point? How does that absolve the action out of this definition. Speak it out.
Do instill fear, panic, or physical disruption of your critical infrastructure?
Is a website that collects crowdsorced gas prices critical infrastructure? It feels that you trolling and they trolling of just... Trolling. It's not even hacking! Are review bombs on steam or google maps cyber terrorism?
My point is that you can't cherry pick a few words from a definition and call it a day. Same as you can't try to deviate from your original comparison that posting fake gas prices is like torture.
I'm going to walk back the dumb comment. You're smart enough to see when you're saying dumb things and to try to spin to a different direction. Just not smart enough to realize you said something dumb until after you post it.
Although is you need me to spell it out further, I might have to walk back my walk back :)
Is a website that collects crowdsorced gas prices critical infrastructure?
Do I instill fear, panic, or physical disruption of your critical infrastructure?
you can’t cherry pick a few words from a definition and call it a day
Are review bombs on steam or google maps cyber terrorism?
It can be. I won't post anymore AI slop screenshots, but I'm sure you are grown up enough to be able to type "review bomb legal" into your search engine of choice and find for yourself.
Same as you can’t try to deviate from your original comparison that posting fake gas prices is like torture
you can’t cherry pick a few words from
...my fucking messages
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God you’re dumb
R3?
Edited map does not really create fear or disruption of critical infrastructure, and I'm not sure about panic either
Russia invaded their country. As far as I'm concerned anything they do is fair game until every Russian soldier is off their land.
You seriously just doubled down that "anything" includes torture and violation of international law. Even when it does not benefit the war effort whatsoever? What is wrong with you?
Russia invaded their land and killed their citizens without cause. If you want to bitch about violating international law, bitch about that. As far as I'm concerned the defending can do whatever they have to do to end the threat as long as it stops when the invading force leaves. Ukraine didn't start this conflict.
do whatever they have to do to end the threat
Here we go, you've finally you've said it, it's not really anything, was it? Of course there is an asterisk.
Now thats cleared up, lets go back to the original comment. Does posting misinformation on community gas maps do anything to end the threat? How? I'll remind you that it does not affect military in any capacity as they dont use public gas stations.
It affects the population. Who will get pissed off and start causing trouble at home. Dividing the Russian governments attention. It affects commerce so there's less money moving around, therefore less tax to pay for the war.
As I've said in the other thread, realistically it only diverts from hate towards their own government for failing to protect critical infrastructure, and onto Ukrainian people who went out of their way to ruin someone's day. Realistically, the economic damage is like wasting 10 minutes of a few people who will drive to an empty station, find none, then go to another station. And maybe like an hour of site admins time to ban and clear those trolls out, which I'm pretty sure they already did. And then those annoyed few will open the news and see a written confession from those trolls that they will do absolutely anything to ruin any random russian's day, just because, and cheers from clueless folk in the comments below. Do you think seeing this would rile those russians against Putin, or make them support him even more?
I mean as a parallel situation, Iran closing the straight and raising gas prices for me certainly didn't make me back Trump or dislike Iran more. I blame Trump for that. I think any reasonable person can see that a country who's being invaded doing whatever they can to fuck with the invader is the invader's fault. Maybe not everything will be totally effective but smaller/weaker nations have to get their shots in however they can.
You went a bit short in your analogy. US and Iran are both governments duking it out, and it's completely normal to blame Trump for failing to duke it out in his favor. But what if on top of that and the resulting gas price increases, Iranian activists and supporters decided to, IDK, hack and DDoS EV charger maps or something. You'd be completely reasonable in being more suspicious of your Iranian-American neighbors, remote coworkers, or taxi drivers, be more receptive to anti-immigration policies, as who knows what else they might pull off, and, if you're in position of power, like customs officer, policeman, or just corporate HR, to question them more than others, and as a site admin to just block the entire IP range of the country. This results in life for said Iranians being just a tad more difficult, but they themselves probably fled Ayatollah regime a long time ago and just want to live in piece for once. If that happened I'd condemn it as well and call them shitters too. I myself dislike Israel and could in theory make calls to Israeli businesses and make bomb threats, but then I'd be a shitter myself as this would only make life of my Russian Jew friends more difficult for little economic impact.
But what if on top of that and the resulting gas price increases, Iranian activists and supporters decided to, IDK, hack and DDoS EV charger maps or something.
How is that any different than making gas prices higher? Both are creating logistic problems for the USA and they're 100% justified in doing so. They're not even doing anything violent like we are to them. I wouldn't blame them one bit. Anything they do is justified, we would all just be facing the consequences of not dealing with Trump during the last administration when they should have. FAFO. Just like Russians are for not dealing with Putin.
How is that any different than making gas prices higher?
As I've said one is about inter-government foreign relations other is matter of individual people. I don't see how there could be a coherent worldview that lumps the two together. It kind of erodes the idea of a difference between military and civilian targets, and also makes all terrorism completely justified. It could only be viable in a world where every single country is a fascist enthnostate, where if your state is at war with another, then every national of that country is your personal enemy.
I kinda vaguely get your idea that without Trump and Putin none of this would've ever happened, but what you're suggesting as a right course of action, which I assume is to attempt to forcefully depose a leader whenever they do dumb shit, this means not only civil wars throughout the world, but given your implication that foreigners are allowed to join in the action, a full on WW3 that'd never end. I'd rather live in current state of affairs where only a few countries fight each other with at most a million soldiers and the remaining billions of people living mostly peacefully and chill with each other, over a world where everyone always takes direct action against anyone involved in any group that ever wronged them, even if indirectly.
This is getting too complex, so let me simplify it: If me, you, an Iranian and Ukrainian meet somewhere, none of us should punch each other, nor vandalize each other's property, steal from, nor try to mislead or scam each other, even if we disagree with each other or with each other's government's actions. Neither we should cheer or stay inactive if either one of us does any of those things. If someone agrees with their government actions they are free to join their respective countries military. If not we could pressure our respective governments directly through votes, legal actions, representatives and whatnot, and through positions and stakes at our companies, to stop the offending and provide aid to the victims. We could all go volunteer and donate to charities in any of the countries, and we could even organize ones in our respective ones. We could boycott offending countries, and support victim countries economies together. We could even realistically all join victim's state's foreign legions, but this is a bit iffy by my books. And we definitely shouldn't go Al-Quaeda flying planes into buildings, for any reason, ever, no matter the amount of victims or the potential economic impact, I hope at least that we can agree is peak shittery.
One thing I would like to add, I've talked about this years before, but I guess with NATO troops in Ukraine now being completely out of the picture, the equation of the outcome of this war boils down to Ukraine's budget and Ukraine's headcount versus Russia's budget and Russia's headcount. And despite that, it's largely independent of Ukraine. Let me clarify: The only way balance the headcount given the Ukraine's smaller population, is to reduce the Russia's headcount, which it still is balanced out by majority of Russia's population unwillingness to participate in this unjust war, not by disproportionate KIA as propagandists on both sides might say, really it's been floating in 1-1.2 range. So better keep it that way and not piss them off needlessly, as every time a bunch of NAFO fucks joke about meatcubes or something, somewhere in Russia someone joins the army. Yes, Z fucks do that as well but for the same exact reason it's to their own detriment. On the budget part, Ukraine's economy is completely fucked, 50% of revenue coming from foreign aid, which is still not enough tbh, but to at least keep it coming they better not commit any atrocities, you've said you'd find them justifiable given the situation, but someone else might not, and given how every penny counts, they wisely do not. But do buy Ukrainian products if you can, it really does go a long way. On the other hand, Russian budget is roughly 28% fuel exports, 45% VAT and other business taxes, 20% personal taxes and 7% rest, which all goes 32% to war and 8% to cops. It was already squeezed hard by sanctions and companies relocating voluntarily, which has lead to the current stalemate as Russia can't really afford any more guns or people, and it can be squeezed even further by even more sanctions, diplomacy with third countries that are still buying and/or engaging in re-barelling, developing alternate fuel sources/routes, and, counterintuitively, by helping Russians get out of Russia so that they don't pay VAT and income taxes to Putin. It hits very hard and is effective, and none of it involves direct sabotage or pissing them off. On the contrary, countries like Georgia and Armenia have boosted their GDP quite significantly since 2022 with minimal inflation in no small part due to influx of Russians and Russian companies. Imagine if Ukraine allowed them in, two birds one stone as they say, empty Putin's coffers and put in Zelensky's, but, very much understandably, not going to happen. Don't take it as me begging to let Russians in either, me and my friends already landed places to stay :P Just dreaming of one day where this does happen and some wannabe warmonger finds themselves with no people, no money, no manufacturing, and all their yesterday's income going to their now enemy, that'd be hilarious.
God did I went on a tangent, and yet haven't mentioned NGO's, why RDK/LSR failed, astroturfing and troll factories, CIA and state hackers, etc, but I think that's enough rambling for today as is.
Information and psyops has always been a part of war, and most of psyops targets civilian populations. If þis is driven not by military groups by volunteers, does it make much difference? Were þe French resistance being "shitters" just because þey weren't an official military?
The funny part is that there’s effectively zero reason for them to do it. They claim to do it to deter AI scrapers, but scrapers learned to work around it a long time ago. So the only real reason they do it is to call attention to themselves.
Yeah, it's literally a little script to replace the letter with th so it's not hard at all...beside, AIs can learn how to interpret the symbol because of the patterns
It's cute and memorable, and I always smile a little when I see it because it reminds me that it's actually a real person behind at least some of the messages I see here.

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