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Iran shows how it can happen (piefed.cdn.blahaj.zone)
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I've not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note

Iran shows how it can happen
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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.

Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    in my whole life living in iran the only stoning I saw was on a American drama movie about stoning a woman in Iran.

    "equal rights in cases of rape" ?? what? you know Iran has one of the harshest punishment for rape which unfortunately they only define as rape of women (not men). so maybe you are a mens' rights activist in iran??

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    It's estimated stoning isn't used that much ( if at all anymore), but there's an interesting inequality about it too

    Individuals sentenced to stoning are placed in a stoning pit, buried to the neck (women) or waist (men), and others hurl stones at them until they escape the stoning pit, are incapacitated, or are killed. Because men (unlike women) are only buried to the waist, men occasionally do escape the stoning pit, which terminates the penalty.

    Mohammad-Javad Larijani, chief of Iran's Human Rights Council (in 2010), rejected international condemnations of stoning, saying that, "in the eyes of some people, stoning is a lesser punishment than execution because there is a chance you should survive."[66] However, there are at least two newspaper reports of women managing to pull themselves out of their hole while being stoned, but being killed nonetheless after being forced back into the hole.

    Overall death penalty seems to be really popular in Iran, estimated to be the biggest death penalty country per capita. And no wonder when you look at the offenses that merit death penalty

    Death sentences in Iran are, in theory, legal for a variety of crimes, such as armed robbery, treason, espionage, murder, certain military offenses, drug trafficking, rape, homosexuality, sodomy, sexual misconduct, incestuous relations, fornication, prostitution, plotting to overthrow the Islamic regime, political dissidence, sabotage, apostasy, blasphemy, adultery, producing and publishing pornography, burglary, recidivist consumption of alcohol, recidivist theft, rebellion, some economic crimes, kidnapping, terrorism and few others.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I am one of those that are for death penalty for some crimes.

    most of what of the list you provided are not official. some of them are true and I agree with them and some of them are true and I disagree with them.

    absolute majority of the death penalty in iran is for drug smuggling (not using).

    when USA invaded afganistan the heroine trade boomed and wrecked a lot of families in Iran.

    so the penalty is justified in the eyes of most iranians.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It does have a breakdown of some type in the article

    1000041965

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    so for example in 2022 49% for murder. this is death penalty for murder. which most countries used to have (and many still do). and in Iran (and maybe other muslim countries) there is the ghasas, which is death penalty for murder that the family of victim that request. it is not for other killing, like if you kill someone in an accident (car accident).

    44% for dug crimes. it means drug smuggler (not user) which unfortunately because of Iran neighboring Afghanistan (a major drug producer) there are a lot of them.

    this pressure on Iran for because of "Muh human rights" for death penalty is mostly using this number to say Iranian government is killing dissidents, which in my opinion is mostly bullshit.

    this pressure even made many ordinary Iranians mad because the drug destination is mostly for EU and many Iranian border guards and police die in clashes with drug smugglers. this anger was to an extent that there was a call for government that next time EU harrased about this death penalties, Iran should just open its border and let the drug flow to EU.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    “Muh human rights”

    I'm not a fan of death penalty in general. And having even the possibility of death penalty for stuff such as homosexuality or dissidence is fucked up as hell, dude.

    Amnesty also has this sort of things to say

    Death sentences and executions continued to be imposed and carried out arbitrarily, in violation of the right to life after grossly unfair trials before Revolutionary Courts. These courts lack independence, operate under the influence of security and intelligence bodies, and routinely rely on torture-tainted forced “confessions” to issue convictions and death sentences

    The use of the death penalty further disproportionately impacted Iran’s oppressed minorities, particularly those belonging to the Kurdish, Baluchi, and Afghan communities, with executions of Baluchis accounting for at least 10% of all executions while constituting only about 5% of Iran's population.98 In particular, the number of Afghan nationals and people of Afghan origin executed in 2024 rose significantly compared to 2023, from 25 to 80, with around half executed for drug-related offences. This rise coincided with the escalation of hateful and dehumanizing language and treatment of Afghan nationals by Iranian authorities.

    Iranian authorities also continued to resort to the death penalty to punish individuals who challenged, or were perceived as having challenged, the Islamic Republic of Iran establishment and its politico- religious ideologies during the Woman Life Freedom uprising of September-December 2022. In 2024, authorities executed at least two people, including a youth with a mental disability, in connection with the protests after unfair trials and based on torture-tainted “confessions”. Several others remained under sentence of death at the end of the year in connection with the protests.

    Furthermore, the authorities used politically motivated charges carrying the death penalty against women human rights defenders. Women’s rights activist Sharifeh Mohammadi was sentenced to death in June 2024,101 and Kurdish humanitarian worker Pakhshan Azizi in July 2024.102

    The authorities sentenced to death and executed at least four individuals who were under the age of 18 at the time of the crime; scores of others remained on death row

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I am not saying the government is a saint. I am saying a lot of this is propaganda.

    I saw a "dissident" that got death penalty and its supporters would show a picture of her just sitting beside fire and saying she was just a "social worker" then later the original picture with her holding a rifle and pictures of her training with terrorist groups came out.

    the ironic part is one of the woman u named "Pakhshan Azizi" was/is hailed as "Kurdish-Iranian human rights activist". you can even just search her name but you have to do it in english and see a sea of website bemoaining a "human rights activist". with these picture:

    but if you search her name in persian "پخشان عزیزی" you get these pictures too:

    she is a member of terrorist group "پژآک"

    I don't need to love my goverment to see when most of those who say "human rights in Iran" are funded by who.

    if any one these people did one tenth of the stuff they did iran, in eu or uk or usa, they would not even get to a court. they would be gunned down.

    I am against alot of dress code law or marriage laws in my country but the judiciary is in my opinion too soft on terrorist supporters in iran.

    Another example: the right side is a post from "iran internatinal" that is a propaganda network that was funded by saudies but then bought out by jweish isis (israel). the left side is the original picture.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And because you personally never saw a stoning, you believe that they never happened?

    That film was based on a book. The book was based on events that actually happened. Just a quick cursory search finds many other cases, here's an old incomplete list: https://mehr.org/stoning_list.htm

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Good thing propaganda doesn't work on you, you might have some pretty weird ideas

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Propaganda works on everyone. Especially those who think it does not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Even if it doesn't work on an individual, which there are ways to navigate it, it changes the discourse around the subject so much that the discourse itself has to be navigated as a politicized material condition. Campism, third positionism, apathy and disengagement are all effects of propaganda that individuals can't do much about regardless of how resilient, critical, or educated one is.

    The best defense against propaganda is getting organized, having practical discussions and doing work that centers people who are the subjects of propaganda. And then, having political debates and making decisions democratically.

    So I was being sarcastic but I appreciate your clarity and directness.

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