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[–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

The Ukrainian Parliament under Yanukovych was not democratic so couldn’t ratify the trade agreement

It was a fast moving process. Unclear when IMF interference demands for austerity were known. Russia did make a much better offer than EU, and Yanukovych was right to prefer it.

The Maidan protests were staged by nearly 800,000 NATO drones

While there is an obvious pull among the young to get western values, CIA/US state propaganda operations to fabricate that opinion, was done purely for nazification and warmongering purposes. The idiocy of the public makes them resort to their programing. Not informed pragmatic study of all alternatives.

the much smaller Donetsk separatist movement was legitimate and wasn’t a Russian imperialist front.

The nazi rulership, installed by US, immediately massacred opposition in Odessa, removed Russian language rights, and wanted to seize Crimean port out of Russian lease. Ukrainian naziism has become the new western liberal values, but most people don't like nazis, and especially not their "subhuman labelled" targets for extermination.

Your previous post was dishonest as well.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Unclear when IMF interference demands for austerity were known.

    I think you're conflating two separate issues. The IMF was not involved in trade talks between the EU and Ukraine. It was when Ukraine was seeking loans but Yanukovych didn't reject to ratify the EU bill because of the IMF.

    CIA/US state propaganda operations to fabricate that opinion, was done purely for nazification and warmongering purposes

    To what end goal?

    Is it so hard to believe that given the choice between closer ties to the EU or a gay hating, poverty stricken state run by robber barons and oligarchs, Ukrainians might have preferred the EU?

    The idiocy of the public makes them resort to their programing.

    This isn't a fair argument, I could say the same thing about you, and you could say the same about me. How can we find truth when we both believe the other is simply regurgitating programming from some shadowy propaganda source.

    I'll ask this: Do you feel yourself entrenched in these views or are you actually open to changing them through discussion?

    immediately massacred opposition in Odessa,

    This didn't happen though.

    removed Russian language rights

    This also didn't happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    immediately massacred opposition in Odessa

    This didn’t happen though.

    removed Russian language rights

    This also didn’t happen.

    Does your confidence exceed your ignorance, or are you just trolling now?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Your first link is a dubious site that sources itself to support it's argument.

    As for the language law. It could have been handled better but the impact was overblown by Russian propaganda.

    Also you ask Russian imperialism to be viewed in the context of NATO provocation. Why is it not also fair then to view the language bill as a response to blatant Russian aggression?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was when Ukraine was seeking loans but Yanukovych didn’t reject to ratify the EU bill because of the IMF.

    Yes he was delaying ratification over obvious anger, and poor electoral math, surrounding austerity demands.

    between closer ties to the EU or a gay hating, poverty stricken state run by robber barons and oligarchs, Ukrainians might have preferred the EU?

    Yes. Manufacturing liberalism is easy because liberal freedoms are humanist. Good and smart people can want liberalism and trade diversification. Does the US empire spend $5B on an operation to increase but fucking, and enabling you to marry your buttfucker? No. The CIA creates division in nations purely to diminish enemies it needs as a demonic evil entity that needs enemies to justify budget, and needs corrupt CIA allegiant puppetry everywhere for championing US oligarchy dominance. Ukraine nazification and war path to current "diminish Russia to the last Ukrainian policy" was set with the 2014 coup.

    I am entrenched in the pure demonic evil of US empire propaganda, and the evil in the lost souls who tolerate, accept and normalize its demonism. More importantly, your delusional propaganda denials does not impact Russia, and Russians, understanding of reality and understanding its imperative defense from demonic empire actions.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    enabling you to marry your buttfucker

    So you're just blatantly homophobic?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    No, stupid. The CIA doesn't spend money on controlling politics because it wins from liberalism/homosexuality. It wins from mind control, divisiveness and war. No Liberal humanist Maidan Ukrainian promoting trade with both EU and Russia, was selected by Neuland for power. Only nazi pig scum marching for US driven war.

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