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[–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The UN, where the CCP has veto powers?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    China doesn’t have veto power over the UN Human Rights Council, which voted to reject debating this any further, over 2½ years ago: https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We don't allow Xitter links on on dbzer0, can you please change the link to https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 or a screenshot instead? Thanks

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  • [+] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/2/china-targets-friendly-media-diplomats-to-tell-story-of-xinjiang

    The US is not to be trusted and loves to manipulate the narrative. It's good to fact check it, as the US does not have the Uighur people's lived experience at heart.

    Unfortunately, not does the PRC (and inviting journalists from friendly Muslim nations to talk to locals on camera to say everything is fine is one way to narrative shift and give a good media blitz). And while the PRC is probably not targeting Uighurs for organ harvesting any more than any other inmates in the prison system, it is a not a great situation for them there.

    There are/were prison camps which provide "vocational training/reeducation". The many non-Han people of the area are clearly second class citizens, and their cultural spaces have been commodified and turned into tourist spots.

    Edit: Bitter Winter also has some stuff, but it's bloggy and declared by China as "a hostile overseas media operation" ... So your milage may vary?

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is this an actually good faith inquiry? Are you that deep in the kool aid?

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    I’m just a bit incredulous that you actually think this argument would be convincing to anyone.

    You don’t see any reason why dictators of Muslim countries might want to say nice things about China despite obvious abuses against the Uighurs?

    I’ve got to log off but if no one has answered you more seriously later I’ll give it a go.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah I mean obviously lol I never said they’re not influenced by the US. The point is statements and policies by corrupt autocrats have no bearing the real situation on the ground. That’s not evidence, it’s politics. They will just say whatever is in their best interest regardless of the truth.

    Your point about the US influence regarding Palestine is hilariously misinformed because they literally do that. That’s why none of these countries have done anything about Palestine. The only ones who have taken concrete actions are those that are basically already engaged in proxy wars with the west, such as Iran or the Houthis. Others like the Saudis, the new Syrian government and Egypt just want this issue to go away. That’s why Egypt is in the process of blocking the Gaza caravan as we speak. These autocrats don’t even care about their own people, let alone foreigners thousands of miles away.

    Also, there are reasons the geopolitics favor the Chinese point of view on the Uighur issue. The CPC is obviously going to care a lot more about this issue than the US does because it’s a domestic security issue. For the US it’s just a way to tarnish China’s image, which of course they want to do, but it’s not a top priority. Furthermore, the ruling class is biased towards stability. They just want to keep exploiting people and living opulent lives in peace. They’re much more likely to try to ignore or diminish these problems than actually try to solve them because that risks pissing people off which could be dangerous for them. Finally, these countries also love to oppress their own people, so they’d just as soon everyone stop talking about human rights since that would obviously be to their benefit. Talking about prison camps in another country makes them more vulnerable to looking hypocritical when they engage in domestic repression.

    And finally, there’s just abundant and overwhelming evidence of human rights abuses that don’t come from the US government, which yea, is obviously dishonest. The camps can be seen in satellite imagery, and the CPC acknowledges they exist but bizarrely claim that it’s good to force huge numbers of people into concentration camps. That’s such an unserious response that I don’t feel it’s necessary to respond to.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I don’t need a citation to demonstrate that statements from politicians are not evidence of anything. That’s not even relevant to the claim that the UN has rejected the claims regarding atrocities inflicted on the Uighurs, which you also never substantiated. By the way, here’s an actual UN report alleging serious human rights abuses: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932

    This is an anarchist community. My disdain for politicians is not specific to the US’s adversaries. They always pursue their own interests. To understand their behavior, you need to understand their incentives, which I explained above.

    But if there’s a specific claim you want a source for, let me know. None of it is particularly controversial.

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