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[–] 11 points 1 year ago (25 children)

The authors give away their ideology when they conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

If you think Zionism is a good thing, you’re supporting genocide.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    Where do they conflate it? Here's an excerpt from the quote they provide as an example of antisemitism:

    Everyone identifing as a jew is a zionist and an enemy of the communist and anti imperialist movement.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    You are a zionist if you support a two-state solution.

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    I don't think that. But I do think Israel has a right to exist.

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    There's a lot wrong with what you just said. But we'll poke into Mandate Palestine. So if these Zionists weren't supportive of allowing Palestine to exist, then why would they be supportive of the initial UN-resolution that promised just that, equality for two states?

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    I don't think there's any point in having this discussion with you. Like

    If zionists really wanted peace they wouldn’t have occupied gaza and the west bank in 67

    Is just so ignorant. This is a lost cause.

    It was occupied because a war was declared on Israel. Why is the onus of peace on Israel as opposed to the Arab states that started the war? You handwaved points like calling Amin al-Husseini irrelevant and then doubling down, you ignored that there are anti-zionist dog-whistles, you downvote every reply I give you -- You're not arguing honestly, and I don't have the patience to entertain this any longer.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Technically true. I am therefore a Zionist. That doesn't mean I want to see Israel expand into Jordan or even expand settlements in the WB.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Me neither

    But too often is zionist used as a dog whistle for jew.

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    Most of the time it's pointing out dog whistles and common slogans antisemites use to identify one another while also radicalising "normies"

    It's difficult

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    Okay, sure. So, an example is the red arrow; you've probably seen some Twitter users or Hexbear users have the red arrow when referring to zionists.

    This red arrow is a reference to Hamas propaganda videos, which in of itself is a reference to the Holocaust A "normie" would never know this, but extremists and antisemites can use it to identify one another while handwaving those who point out the dog whistle, 'Oh, it's just an arrow, don't be so paranoid.'

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    What? I'm just going to assume a language barrier here and you didn't understand me.

    You asked for evidence of dog whistles, and so I showed an example.

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    Okay, but you do acknowledge that there are those who use zionism as a dog whistle for jew?

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    Depends really. I stand by in saying that if you support two states then you're a zionist, and you'll find that's the majority's opinion on the matter.

    Do you support two states?

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    And you give away your ideology with this comment. You are the extreme they are talking about.

    "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"

    • 1984

    You reject this paper solely because it might go against your own beliefs. You don't need to agree with every thing everyone publishes. It is important to keep your mind open instead of taking anything that might make your question your beliefs as a personal attack. Stop with the us vs them and start thinking for yourself.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ireland is trying to redefine "genocide" to include Gaza & Ukraine situations.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce48wpd08pgo

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Redefine" when it's calling it what it is.

    Fuck off.

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    most of the ukranians in crimea still live there after the almost bloodless coup. don't tell me you haven't thought this through. the irish must be huffing too much amazon money. how is it putting one foot in front of another? we call it walking

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