There are rumors about a new AI Chat coming soon based on Llama 3. Is that true? Don't get me wrong, the current AI Chat is great, but its goldfish memory ruins any chance to roleplay with an elaborate lore or world-building, not to mention the constant repetition of expressions like "maybe, just maybe" and so on.

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

I think it is already Llama 3. Also, lots of new models were released recently. I guess it is better to aim for large context length models now.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    No way this is llama 3: https://perchance.org/ai-chat Unless there are other "official" chatbots. This chat has a very short memory. I'm sure it is Llama 2; it would make sense, since I suspect it has around 4k token context, while Llama 3 has 128k. Maybe I am missing something. Are there other chats like this that use more advanced LLMs?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    From what people write on reddit, its indeed llama 2, and gets updated to 3. I used all official chats - characters and rpg, and it seems they use the same LLM.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Oh, that's great. So I was right. I'm not crazy, then. Is a new version coming out? I heard they were gonna update it in July, but it never happened.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It looks like the dev is in the middle of implementing it :

    https://perchance.org/image-gen-update-aug-8th

    People saw this announcement in the AI image generator

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Thanks! I can't wait. Just imagine going from 4k tokens to 128k tokens. This is gonna revolutionize free chatbots.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean if it's just Llama 3, it will feature context window of 8k tokens, not a big uplift from Llama 2 and its minuscule context window, I heard it's very impressive but it's being held down by its small context window, if it's Llama 3.3, then yes, it's 128k context window size would be a game changer.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well, I hope it's 3.3, after two years of waiting, and with the image generators using Chroma and Flux. I can't complain about a free service anyway. It will be a bittersweet victory; having 2x context will surely improve the roleplay experience, but it will still be impossible to create lore and world-building unless we have at least 50-60k context tokens. And yes, the actual model is amazing, but it's being held down by the context window; you cannot create a deep lore or word building, and worse of all, the chat forgets the key events around 3-4 pages of convo, having to rely on summaries that miss A LOT of important elements.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Context tokens are not directly based on the model unless talking about very large token counts. Context tokens come from the amount of memory it is given to work with, which costs more to host. Some models (not any of the Llama models) are better at managing this memory, but it still uses a lot of resources to host a large token context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree, people have been waiting for over a year now since one of perchance's reddit mods said it will be updated, I think the mod's comment goes back to early/mid 2024, even if it was Llama 3, it will be a welcome change, but I feel like that Llama 3.3 will provide future proofing until the dev update to Llama 4 or 5 two or three years from now because of its superior context window size. The rapid progress of Ai is terrifying, it's like going from 8 gb of storage all the way to 1 Tb in a flash, don't be surprised if the upcoming models (not just Llama, all LLMs in general) have billions and billions of context windows, which will probably be enough to write someone's entire life story.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, there are already models with millions of tokens like Gemini. I've been thinking about that a lot lately, and I think that will be fucking amazing. Imagine losing yourself in the world of your favourite game or novel, interacting with all the characters, creatures, and places. I think I will become a crazy old cat lady lol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I think Llama 4 scout/maverick (forgot which one) has 10 million tokens, which is a huge upgrade over Llama 3.3's 128k tokens, so it went from 4k > 128k > 10m. as I said, the progress of Ai is terrifying, the only thing they need to do right now is to work on power efficiency because these models require at least five nuclear power plants to function properly. I heard somewhere that Llama 4 scout could be the new text model, but of course it won't have the 10m tokens, because that demands massive computational power that only mega corporations could pull off, so if the rumors are true and it's actually the chosen model, it will probably tuned down to 128k/200k, depending on the dev's hardware and how he's going to deal with it, if the rumors surrounding Llama 4 scout are a bunch of bull, then mistral small 3.1 or Llama 3.3 will be chosen instead.

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