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All meat-eaters are nazis (sopuli.xyz)
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What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am not vegan, but I have vegan friends.

Veganism is respectable. It is good. But primates are opportunistic eaters, and humans are no different.

Not everyone is in a position to choose to remove meat from their diet. And some folks, like me, support vegans without feeling we need to eliminate all animal and insect products from our diets.

When we talk openly, we learn from each other and develop understanding. Who knows, maybe I will be vegan one day? I've cooked many vegan meals for groups of people.

Calling me names will push me away.

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Okay, let's talk. What makes you think you have the right to pay for an animal to be killed and turned into your meal? Intellectual superiority? Inability to control yourself? Genetic destiny? Might makes right?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You'll have a greater impact on me if you approach me with curiosity, rather than aggression.

    For example, all I've told you so far is that I'm not vegan.

    You don't know if, for example, I eat eggs harvested from my own happy chickens or harvest surplus honey from my own beehive. You don't know whether I buy farmed meat from a store, or whether I only eat animals that lack any sort of brain

    I've already expressed that veganism is good. That gives you inroads for engaging with me, learning more about what I consume that isn't vegan, and offering the options that I might not think of.

    Are you angry about people eating meat and harming animals? Good. You should be. I know I am. But I also temper my anger, especially when I'm trying to communicate better ways of doing things with people.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is why talking to carnists respectfully is useless. I engaged you with questions instead of insults, and you dodged those questions and insulted me anyway. There's no amount of respect I can give you that you'll return in the slightest. After all, why would I expect you to respect me when you won't even respect animals? Thank you for proving my point. I'll stick to the direct approach, because while questions can be dodged, statements can't.

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