In a Thursday speech, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairman Paul S. Atkins announced “Project Crypto,” an initiative to modernize the country’s securities rules and regulations to move financial markets on-chain.

“Under my leadership, the SEC will not stand idly by and watch innovations develop overseas while our capital markets remain stagnant,” he said at an America First Policy Institute event in Washington D.C. His plan includes measures to reshore crypto businesses that have left the country and to ensure that “archaic rules and regulations do not smother innovation and entrepreneurship in America.”

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[–] 36 points 1 year ago (64 children)

Genuine question, is crypto good for anything other than gambling at the moment? I don't ever hear of anyone buying anything with crypto, only exchanging it out for USD. NFTs are basically a punchline now... what is it actually good for?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not untraceable, but it's way more anonymous for routine purchases than CC. Also with all the nonsense the CC companies are pulling lately, it's a nice example of why de-centralized, unbanked fiat has real value. Personally I use it for search engine subscriptions and paying VPN fees with at least a layer of "hey, you can't sell my demographic data or send me junk mail" privacy. Also if you want to send money to someone without using venmo type garbage, it's super easy and flexible even if you don't have the same type of crypto as the person you are sending to. It's huge for sending money internationally as there are big fees associated with international money brokers when involving traditional fiat.
    The mantra of crypto as a scam is wrong. It's just seriously overvalued and has been turned into scam as an investment commodity. The technology itself, at least modern scalable versions that don't require AI level nuclear power plants to scale, is not flawed. The fact that the archiac unscalable bitcoin prototype is still the most valued is a great example of the mismatch between real world value and the fucked up crypto marketplace.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So. Which one would you advise? To use for the purposes described.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'd use ethereum with a USDC token for anything that didn't need to be ethereum specifically. Then you're not subject to the volatility of the crypto itself, but still gain the ability to pay for things or transfer money globally. Unless you actually want the crypto exposure of course.

    If you wanted stronger privacy, you could put the ethereum/usdc through Tornado Cash first. The SEC tried to sanction it and lost in court.

    Also staying in USDC is easier for tax purposes.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a really good way to bribe politicians and public figures.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's easy to transfer to other countries. Ever tried to send $20 to another country like Kazakhstan? It's a nightmare

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Monero is good for completely private and secure transactions. People often use it to buy drugs online... From what I've heard.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't a lot of platforms online not let you buy Monero because of this? Like how do people buy Monero through a reputable source?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can anonymously buy things on the dark web with monero. I've been looking to buy gift cards so I can purchase things anonymously. I believe you can even pay for Mullvad with monero

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I used to buy a lot of pizza and burgers with bitcoin when I did night shifts. Still use it to buy electronics at least once a month.

    It's also the best way to donate to nonprofit projects. I can just send ~ $10 of value, one time. No need to risk accidentally signing up for a monthly subscription or being bombarded by spam.

    If you don't keep 100% of your monthly budget in BTC, you don't really care about the volatility either, because long term it always goes up.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yes. Can you imagine my surprise when my drug money suddenly became mainstream? You could also buy weapons and order an assasin online.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Maybe if you want to buy something visa, Mastercard, and Christian nut jobs don’t want you to have. Otherwise it’s a total scam.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Assuming you can find a buyer who will process that crypto, without touching either of those payment processors. All the crypto evangelists seem to forget the major crypto payment platforms are in use because you can actually rapidly exchange your crypto for that thing you can actually pay your rent with - but those function largely on the backbone of big payment platforms to trade that crypto into cash for the merchant.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It was supposed to be the very thing that Paypal become (probably why Elon hedged his bet on it after getting kicked) but it became so inefficient with expensive transaction fees that everyone turned it down. As a consequence, it became a worse version of the stock market.

    Mind you, this was before we even before we knew about the environmental damage.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You mean the value that crashed like 30% over two years? At least bitcoin went back up

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    The Argentine peso crashed and then stayed down. That's actually a sign of stability, because it's remaining at a constant, not jumping up and down wildly.

    It didn't crash only to go back to original value to the decrease by half and undulate like a wave, like Bitcoin and other crypto does.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You mean all crashes then? The 3 that have happened in over ONE HUNDRED YEARS?

    You can't be fucking serious to compare that fluctuation with Bitcoin's

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It was great to trade and move value around. You could send to other countries, or do work for it. But Bitcoin fucked it all by basically being a ponzi scheme. People below will talk about it and how it holds or increases in value. Thats because most people are still buying in and hording it. Making it terrible as a currency.

    I never bought crypto, I only traded, bartered, worked for it. I never put it on an exchange or used another company. Another sink of value and a stupid place to keep it. But that is the vast majority of people now.

    So it is not good for anything anymore. Except speculation and hoping your are not the last holding the bag.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Crypto (ETH and the like) is useful for it's protocol, you can build projects on it.

    Bitcoin is a good store of value, and with lightning payments starting to be accepted it could be a good way to pay for goods and services. The third world is currently using lightning to circumvent inflationary currency swings.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Sui specifically is a unique horse in this race, as they are trying to really push for zero knowledge/trust models as well as what is known in cryptography spaces as multi party computation.

    What this all effectively means long term is several things

    • moving between one cryptocurrency on one chain to another can be done without trusting a 3rd party 'bridge'
    • you still retain control of your assets on cryptocurrency exchanges utilizing the tech instead of trusting some 3rd party like Coinbase or Charles Schwab to fulfill their end of the bargain
    • with the raise of the bs porn ID laws, this tech coupled with the unique dynamic NFTs sui has could generate you a proof token that has your personal info hidden after verifying with some trusted company handing these token out and being able to use them at sites to prove you are an adult without revealing your name.

    The problem with all of this of course is it is very new tech, and it's hard to break into a space that's littered with scammers running pyramid schemes or just pulling the rug out from under people and running with the money.

    The tech is there to eliminate a lot of unnecessary middle men in the financial world, but like all shiny new things, it is still lacking mass adoption and formal govt rules around it. This greatly limits the utility of this for the common man to just sending money to friends who have an exchange to cash them out or just paying for things visa won't let you, like Pornhub or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    1 Bitcoin used to be with less than a dollar.

    Now it's thousands of dollars.

    It's also lost thousands of dollars in value.

    It hasn't even been 2 decades.

    There's never been ANYTHING that volatile and unstable aside from maybe fucking tulips.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Well, it should have went to some value from no value. So initial volatility was to be expected.

    While the current volatility - I don't know, I guess it's because a transaction is expensive and takes some time. If transactions would cost almost nothing and were almost instantaneous, I'd expect the volatility by now to not be very big. And if there were no premined coins, of course.

    And if there were inflation built into the system. BTC proponents boast how it having no such artificial mechanism is good.

    They, 1) don't understand that having inflation stabilizes a currency, because there's a stimulus to spend practically and not as part of speculation, 2) don't understand that what they would want to imitate, gold, has inflation too.

    So - inflation and cheap and fast transactions are what would make BTC less volatile. It would be a less lucrative speculative asset.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So - inflation and cheap and fast transactions are what would make BTC less volatile.

    Yeah, and we have that...

    It's called fiat currency 🙄

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    after learning that in China 200 years ago people used non-uniform money, that is, all kinds of coins, some literally ancient still in circulation, and somehow that worked

    I'm talking about valuation pegged paper money, not hard value currency. This old strawman is getting old too.

    The coins worked because they were still tangible material with assigned value (ie metals value by weight or marking).

    The local bank paper money was different, and pegged to hard value materials (gold standard).

    Cryptocurrency works like the second because, like the paper money, crypto doesn't have inherent tangible value (technically even less than paper since it's completely intangible).

    It doesn't work like the fucking Chinese coins (which, btw, still relied on a very centralized government existing anyway) because you can't hold or do anything with 0s and 1s, nor can you physically keep it around.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The reason for volatility is that any such concept at scale is subject to just the messiest lump of evolving opinions on everything. It will deflate, inflate, deflate wildly because it's utterly subject to the whims of the people without any mechanism to counter a lack of mass consensus on what 'value' is.

    We started noticing as things scaled up, there needed to be some regulatory management to counter the whimsical populace. Hard to fight mass inflation or deflation when you can't do anything to manage the "money supply" to offset panic.

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