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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago*

Yeah, not good of them to not share that information.

But for anyone who's wondering, here's a decent article that goes over the shady companies that discretely own most VPNs apps.

Amusingly, and kind of in counterpoint to the guy who you replied to, this article concludes that Proton is actually a solid VPN option that isn't beholden to one of those sketchy VPN-hoarding companies. Though they don't talk about any Israeli influence in Proton TBF. But still, on a general level (excluding the Israel/Palestine thing), Proton seems like one of the better options.

They also recommend Mullvad as a good option. I've never used them, but I've seen mentioned positively in other articles about VPNs.

ETA: Clarity.

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[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Ehm… you guys know that behind all major VPN companies there’s the isræli government right?

Okay. proceeds to check article

Kape Technologies

This is why you research the VPN provider prior to making your purchase, read their privacy policies, their EULA, their TOS, the companies history.

If it reads like the Bible skip over it.

ProtonVPN, iVPN and Mullvad have no association with this article whatsoever.

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[–] PastaCannon@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, Proton specifically has no confirmed association, I agree. So I trust them? No. I see too many signs, too many people recommending it online, too many all-connected services. For me, this is a recipe for disaster and I’m not here to be lied to my face again.

Not the first time for the very neutral state

According to a Swiss parliamentary investigation, "Swiss intelligence service were aware of and benefited from the Zug-based firm Crypto AG’s involvement in the US-led spying".

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On a related note, we have also had people ask us about Proton Mail’s official position regarding the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflict and whether working with an Israeli company means we are taking sides in this conflict. The answer is NO. As a Swiss company, we adhere to a policy of strict neutrality

I don’t know about you guys but this 👆 is enough for me.

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[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Not the first time for the very neutral state

According to a Swiss parliamentary investigation, "Swiss intelligence service were aware of and benefited from the Zug-based firm Crypto AG’s involvement in the US-led spying".

If your concern is that the CIA owns Crypto AG you should take into consideration what their focus is on, are they focused on child predators and gangs or people torrenting movies and music?

Crypto AG and Proton have clashed in the past resulting in this article from Proton;

https://proton.me/blog/is-protonmail-trustworthy

Transparency: You know who runs the company, where they run it from, how they run it, what data they have, how they interact with law enforcement, and much more.

Business model: Their business model (how they make money) is simply having paid users that pay for the service. If they were to breach that trust, then they would no longer be able to sustain themselves.

Competence: They have a team of highly competent people. Most people in their management level have Ph. Ds and they are trusted by many users with heightened security needs. These users includeHKMaps.live, Bellingcat etc.

Verified By Third Parties: Proton is still in the process of getting all their apps audited and open sourced. Currently, the ProtonMail iOS app, OpenPGP.js, GoOpenPGP and all the ProtonVPN apps have been audited by Cure53 or SEC Consult and the reports publically available with the source code on github with android and bridge on the way. Furthermore, they have been checked over by the EU and given a 2 million euros of funding that can be used on anything to further their mission with no other obligations.

Legal guarantees: Proton is based in Switzerland, a country with strong privacy protections, and outside the 14 eyes surveillance network. Under Swiss law, they are only permitted to reveal user data if served with a binding legal order from the Swiss government. Sharing data without a legal order is a criminal offense under Article 271 of the Swiss Criminal Code.

Track record: ProtonMail’s creation by scientists who met at CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) is well documented, including on the CERN website. The scientific background of their leadership team can be easily verified by looking at their academic careers and scientific publications.

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On a related note, we have also had people ask us about Proton Mail’s official position regarding the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflict and whether working with an Israeli company means we are taking sides in this conflict. The answer is NO. As a Swiss company, we adhere to a policy of strict neutrality

In the header of this article you seemed to have glossed over:

UPDATE April 3, 2020: The information in this article is outdated. As of last year, we no longer have any contract with Radware.

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[–] PastaCannon@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

If your concern is that the CIA owns Crypto AG you should take into consideration what their focus is on, are they focused on child predators and gangs or people torrenting movies and music?

If I present my legitimate concerns about companies being tampered by CIA with the complicity of a “”neutral”” country (since it already happened) and your reply is “Chillax bro, even if they are what do you have to hide? They are not looking for you!”

you either:

are terribly naive
work for Proton.

I’m just saying, I don’t trust companies, nobody should, especially when everything seems too good. I think we should always challenge them and replace them at their first mistake. Don’t they follow the glorious free and competitive market? Let em fight.